Decades ago when women were under-represented in allopathic medical schools the "medical community" got together and decided to make their medical school classes reflect the society in which they practice. (Affirmative action) The "medical community" has made great strides in this effort.
My question/curiosity/concern is why if RNs are presently comprised of only 6-7% men, and the "nursing community" is {really} interested in more men choosing a career in nursing then why don't nursing shcools do what medical schools chose to do DECADES ago and make their graduating classes reflect the society in which they practice? Hmmm...
Any thoughts or ideas please feel free to "ring in".
I always wonder why people don't seem to get as upset about all of the other preferential admissions policies, legacy, donations etc... and there ARE scholarships for "whites only" Irish American, Italian american, german american, descendants of holocaust etc... they pretty much are going to be white only scholarships same with scholarships for DAR, other pretty much all white private membership organizations, etc... there are plenty out there (just worded in a way that you wouldn't think they are white only). My point is not to say AA is great, but the argument always puts more emphasis on the minority "privilege" and fails to look at the same privileges that still exist on the other side. I can't tell you the number of people who mistakenly think that I must be fielding offers of financial aid and guaranteed acceptance letters from all over the place. Isn't true. I take out student loans like everybody else, recieve no aid for my racial category and got into the nursing program because I am smart and have top grades. I don't even personally know any black student who is getting this aid either. Just not as common as it is made out to be. Not that it isn't out there, but it isn't abundant and there are similar opportunities for whites as well.
I always wonder why people don't seem to get as upset about all of the other preferential admissions policies, legacy, donations etc... and there ARE scholarships for "whites only" Irish American, Italian american, german american, descendants of holocaust etc... they pretty much are going to be white only scholarships same with scholarships for DAR, other pretty much all white private membership organizations, etc... there are plenty out there (just worded in a way that you wouldn't think they are white only). My point is not to say AA is great, but the argument always puts more emphasis on the minority "privilege" and fails to look at the same privileges that still exist on the other side. I can't tell you the number of people who mistakenly think that I must be fielding offers of financial aid and guaranteed acceptance letters from all over the place. Isn't true. I take out student loans like everybody else, recieve no aid for my racial category and got into the nursing program because I am smart and have top grades. I don't even personally know any black student who is getting this aid either. Just not as common as it is made out to be. Not that it isn't out there, but it isn't abundant and there are similar opportunities for whites as well.
SMK,
I don't think anyone should be excluded from recieving a scholarship based on their race or gender. That being said, there is only one, that's right ONE scholarship that is "white only." And, that scholarship was started in protest of "black only" scholarships. It started out as a $50 scholarship, that's right $50. It then became $250 after two more people contributed $100 each. As far as, Irish American scholarships....that's NOT "white" only. I know "black" Irishman and "black" Germans and "black" Frenchman. Plus, if you do a search, many of these scholarships are NOT just for Irish, Germans, etc, but rather they are available for ANYONE that is seeking a degree in Irish language, German history, 1600 French Art! Please, do the searches. Let's not forget that Italians could be a minority, but they are not because, for whatever reason, we lump anyone with "light" skin into this big old group that we call "WHITE." Never mind the fact that each of these groups share a vastly different culture, language, etc. Let's not forget that in the begining the Irish and Germans were the minorities living in the ghettos! What about the "descendants of holocaust" scholarships that you mentioned. Let's not forget that it is only in recent history that those from Jewish descent are considered "white." I've heard the misleading arguments about how, "because certain areas are 90% white, that means that scholarships in these areas are "white" only," but that argument is flawed, in that, just because there is a high probability that the scholarships will go to "white" only students does NOT mean that they are "white" only scholarships. I know of plenty of gas stations around here that are in "black" only neighborhoods and have predominately "black" customers. Does this make these gas stations "black" only? NO! Again, to have a scholarship go to an individual based on race or gender is WRONG. I don't care if it is "male", "female", "white", "black", or "other."
Sincerely,
Jay (seeking unity by revealing the facade of "race.")
I don't think anyone should be excluded from recieving a scholarship based on their race or gender. That being said, there is only one, that's right ONE scholarship that is "white only." And, that scholarship was started in protest of "black only" scholarships. It started out as a $50 scholarship, that's right $50. It then became $250 after two more people contributed $100 each. As far as, Irish American scholarships....that's NOT "white" only. I know "black" Irishman and "black" Germans and "black" Frenchman. Plus, if you do a search, many of these scholarships are NOT just for Irish, Germans, etc, but rather they are available for ANYONE that is seeking a degree in Irish language, German history, 1600 French Art! Please, do the searches. Let's not forget that Italians could be a minority, but they are not because, for whatever reason, we lump anyone with "light" skin into this big old group that we call "WHITE." Never mind the fact that each of these groups share a vastly different culture, language, etc. Let's not forget that in the begining the Irish and Germans were the minorities living in the ghettos! What about the "descendants of holocaust" scholarships that you mentioned. Let's not forget that it is only in recent history that those from Jewish descent are considered "white." I've heard the misleading arguments about how, "because certain areas are 90% white, that means that scholarships in these areas are "white" only," but that argument is flawed, in that, just because there is a high probability that the scholarships will go to "white" only students does NOT mean that they are "white" only scholarships. I know of plenty of gas stations around here that are in "black" only neighborhoods and have predominately "black" customers. Does this make these gas stations "black" only? NO! Again, to have a scholarship go to an individual based on race or gender is WRONG. I don't care if it is "male", "female", "white", "black", or "other."
Sincerely,
Jay (seeking unity by revealing the facade of "race.")
Actually there are whites only scholarships that are awarded to whites who are the "minority" students at historically black universities. There are also private "white only" scholarships. Also I would be interested to see if any black or minority students have ever been chosen for Irish american, german american etc... scholarships and if so what is the percentage? (guess it is 99.999% white) Yes there are "black" irish people but the percentage is very low, and it would be pretty much like a white person from Africa (not south africa) receiving an African-american scholarship (obviously south africa has more whites). Those ethnic scholarships are essentially whites-only. Same with the whites only republican student scholarship, and other "club" type scholarship where your parents or grandparents had to be members and the club was all white and probably still is. Those are pretty much "white only", Again why do we get so hung up on every percieved "minority" privilege that may seem to serve as an injustice to the majority, but all the other injustices don't get discussed? Why do I see so often that people seem to have the attitude that if a person got into a program due to AA (which they more than likely don't even know for sure) that the person "took" their seat. No one talks about the person who got in because grandma went to this school or grandpa donated money, or mom works with the director of the program. No, the moniority student gets scrutinized and has to prove that they belong, while others warrant no attention for similar "injust" methods of entry. I still say that there ARE plenty of white only scholarships and it more than equals out the minority scholarships which many times are not just for one race. I don't know that I am onboard with AA in its current incarnation, but I do know that there are many other discriminatory and "injust" ways that people get ahead in this world, yet we only seem to talk about and feel frustrated by the those ways that seem to benefit minorities. I don't like that.
Actually there are whites only scholarships that are awarded to whites who are the "minority" students at historically black universities.
These scholarships are giving by "black" universities in order to receive government subsidies!
There are also private "white only" scholarships. Also I would be interested to see if any black or minority students have ever been chosen for Irish american, german american etc... scholarships and if so what is the percentage? (guess it is 99.999% white) Yes there are "black" irish people but the percentage is very low, and it would be pretty much like a white person from Africa (not south africa) receiving an African-american scholarship (obviously south africa has more whites)..
Again there is only ONE "white" only scholarship that started out as a PROTEST to the "black" only scholarships, of which are MANY! Yes there are few "black"-German/Irish..whatever, BUT, as I stated...If you are a "black" student studying to major in German Literature, then you can get this scholarship. You do NOT have to be from German descent! As far as the "white" person from Africa...did you know that they are not allowed to apply for the "African-American" scholarships? We use the term "African-American" in this country to describe "black" Americans. And there was one guy that I know of that applied to such a scholarship, got it, and when it was found out that he was a "white" man born in Africa, he was then DISQUALIFIED!
Those ethnic scholarships are essentially whites-only. Same with the whites only republican student scholarship, and other "club" type scholarship where your parents or grandparents had to be members and the club was all white and probably still is. .
Again, the republican student scholarship was started in 2004 as a protest to the "black" only scholarships. It was for $50 and became $250 after two more people, against discrimination, donated $100 each. The person who started this scholarship is not even "white" and is a recipient of a minority only scholarship! Just an FYI.
Those are pretty much "white only", Again why do we get so hung up on every percieved "minority" privilege that may seem to serve as an injustice to the majority, but all the other injustices don't get discussed? Why do I see so often that people seem to have the attitude that if a person got into a program due to AA (which they more than likely don't even know for sure) that the person "took" their seat. No one talks about the person who got in because grandma went to this school or grandpa donated money, or mom works with the director of the program. No, the moniority student gets scrutinized and has to prove that they belong, while others warrant no attention for similar "injust" methods of entry. I still say that there ARE plenty of white only scholarships and it more than equals out the minority scholarships which many times are not just for one race. I don't know that I am onboard with AA in its current incarnation, but I do know that there are many other discriminatory and "injust" ways that people get ahead in this world, yet we only seem to talk about and feel frustrated by the those ways that seem to benefit minorities. I don't like that.
I am upset every time someone gets ahead based on race/gender. I am not upset if someone gets pref. because of legacy, military service, socioeconomic status, etc. These people, IMHO, deserve/need help. The system is skewed in such a way that the RICH "white" kids have an advantage, but NO...poor "white" kids do not have the same "privilege" as these RICH "white" kids because of the color of their skin. And, let's not forget that there are MORE poor and middle class in America than there is RICH. To disqualify these poor "white" kids because of the color of their skin and the injustice of a horrific history, of which they were NOT involved, only serves to further disadvantage them as well as instill a bitterness and resentment in them. Think about everyone involved and not just the rich "white" kids. I agree that a lot of people see "white" and that's all they see; however, there IS a difference in "privilege" between the poor and the rich "whites" in this country! IMHO, if you have a "black" doctor and a "black" lawyer and they have a "black" son, and then you have a "white" fast food restaurant worker and a "white" cashier and they have a "white" son. I am willing to bet that the "black" son will go on to be a Professional while the "white" son goes on to a blue collar job. Why? Not because of "privilege" or AA or even opportunity. The "black" son will go to college and become a professional because his parents will instill in him the importance of education, of the benefits of using your mind as oppose to your body, and, let me say it again, the IMPORTANCE of education. There are plenty of minority only scholarships that go unused, not because of a racist system, but because the parents did not teach their kids the importance of education. These unused portions could have certainly helped a "white" kid that had the desire, but not the funds to go to college, but hey...he's "white" and privileged; he'll do just fine at WAL-MART!
The fact that the black colleges recieve funding to desegregate bears no scrutiny because the reverse is the exact reason why minority scholarships exists in historically "non-black" colleges. Also just a cursory search of white only scholarships will pull up more than 1. The republican one is there as well as the private united white college fund etc... As I stated before there are many private organizations that also give out scholarships based on the heritage of membership and if you don't have any minority members in your organization (and there are plenty of clubs that are just that homogenous) then you have an "all white" scholarship. I don't now how much more clear I can make it. It just isn't advertised that way for obvious reasons, by the way there quite a few "minority scholarships" that are actually open to whites as well so it balances out any tiny percentage of "black irishmen" who might be slipping in to receive those scholarships because they are studying Irish literature or whatever. (I still would like to see some numbers and percentages of minorities who recieve those types of aid because I have a sneaking suspicion that it is VERY low.) I agree that the disparities between socioeconomic status plays a very large part in determining who needs aid, but I don't think your analogy of a rick black student viying for financial aid against a poor white student is valid. This was a big point that I made in my last post. We have NO IDEA whether or not the rich black student is getting things based on AA, and connecting his successes with a poor white students failures only serves to create the notion that somehow the balck student "took" something from the white. (When it wasn't guaranteed to them in the first place). Many schools look for diversity in many ways, and white students who may not have super high GPA's or test scores get into schools often, but when a black student with the same situation gets in then they are zeroed in on as if they have gotten something that belonged to someone else. THIS IS NOT OKAY! There are white students who are getting into programs and colleges with less than stellar GPA/test scores over white students with better GPA/test scores. When it comes to admissions it is very difficult to know that someone is geting something "just" because of their race. The "diversity" buzz word is not really code for just "black". It could mean people from other parts of the country, different sex, race, people from different socioeconomic backgrounds, different heritage, family situations etc... Yet people always reduce it to a "minority" privelege. Sad.
The fact that the black colleges recieve funding to desegregate bears no scrutiny because the reverse is the exact reason why minority scholarships exists in historically "non-black" colleges. Also just a cursory search of white only scholarships will pull up more than 1. The republican one is there as well as the private united white college fund etc... As I stated before there are many private organizations that also give out scholarships based on the heritage of membership and if you don't have any minority members in your organization (and there are plenty of clubs that are just that homogenous) then you have an "all white" scholarship. I don't now how much more clear I can make it. It just isn't advertised that way for obvious reasons,.
It is not about scrutiny, it's a valid point as to why "black" universities are offering "white" scholarships. I also do not believe in "black" unviversities. I believe that we can and should co-exist in this world because we are the same. No difference at all. For true unity, we must first realize that there really isn't a difference between "races." Germans and Irishman "made" it because they assimilated into "English" society. I am not for ANY program that gives or makes exceptions based on "race" or gender.
by the way there quite a few "minority scholarships" that are actually open to whites as well so it balances out any tiny percentage of "black irishmen" who might be slipping in to receive those scholarships because they are studying Irish literature or whatever. (I still would like to see some numbers and percentages of minorities who recieve those types of aid because I have a sneaking suspicion that it is VERY low.)
Again, one does not have to be a "black" Irishman studying Irish literature in order to receive these scholarships. As stated previously, they JUST have to be studying Irish literature, history, art, etc...So, if a "black" student NOT from Irish descent is studying Irish literature...then HE qualifies for this scholarship. Are the percentages low? YES! Are the percentages low because "blacks" only make up 12% of the population, 1/2 do not graduate high school, and of the rest only a percentage go on to college? One would have to believe that this fact DOES make a difference and is the reason why many students that receive scholarships are "white." What this doesn't prove is that the "white" students got these scholarships because of privilege.
I agree that the disparities between socioeconomic status plays a very large part in determining who needs aid, but I don't think your analogy of a rick black student viying for financial aid against a poor white student is valid. This was a big point that I made in my last post. We have NO IDEA whether or not the rich black student is getting things based on AA, and connecting his successes with a poor white students failures only serves to create the notion that somehow the balck student "took" something from the white. (When it wasn't guaranteed to them in the first place).
I think you missed my point completely. I was not talking about a "black" student vying for aid against a "white" student. I was making the point that the "black" student will "make" it because of socialization and NOT because of AA, etc. and that the "white" boy will NOT make it because of socialization. I did not imply that the "black" student TOOK anything from the "white" student. Please reread my post. I believe that parents that instill the importance of education in their children will have children that go on to college. I do not feel that AA holds me back, but it IS a form of racial discrimination BY DEFINITION, and thus, serves to put a deeper trench in the great divide between the "races."
Many schools look for diversity in many ways, and white students who may not have super high GPA's or test scores get into schools often, but when a black student with the same situation gets in then they are zeroed in on as if they have gotten something that belonged to someone else. THIS IS NOT OKAY! There are white students who are getting into programs and colleges with less than stellar GPA/test scores over white students with better GPA/test scores. When it comes to admissions it is very difficult to know that someone is geting something "just" because of their race. The "diversity" buzz word is not really code for just "black". It could mean people from other parts of the country, different sex, race, people from different socioeconomic backgrounds, different heritage, family situations etc... Yet people always reduce it to a "minority" privelege. Sad.
So, if we get rid of AA then we do not need to question IF the minority student is there because of his/her hard work or because of the color of their skin. That in and of itself should be motivation enough to end it. To assume that minority students need "protection" from this racist society is insulting. To say that minority students need help while the poor "whites" don't because they are "white" and we all KNOW that they have privilege is damaging. To say that a minority whom is less qualified should get into a university or job over a more qualified "white" person is sad. Yes, there are documented cases where a "white" student worked hard to get into the university of their choice just to be told, "I'm sorry but we had to give a certain number of spots to minority students." There are documented cases where "white" people have scored high on police entrace test only to be told that the positions will be filled with LOWER scoring minority applicants. THAT is also sad. To see your dreams crushed because you were born "white." Yes, some will say that this happens to "blacks" too. However, one can only speculate that the reason that they did not get the job or in the university is based on "race", BUT you can PROVE that "whites" are being descriminated against. If a "white" person is told that he did not get into this university or did not get the job because "we are trying to diversify" then they WERE discriminated against...that is a fact that can not be disputed.
I have to say that with all of the above, I'll just have to agree to disagree. I know where your passion is coming from SMK, but I will never be ok with any program that discriminates based on race/gender, no matter who benefits!! I still think we can have true unity, but only when we drop these useless labels of "race."
How come the white kids that are accepted with lower test scores/gpa's aren't blamed for the other whited kids not being accepted? Why is it the black person who "took" their seat? I guarantee you that there are whites getting into program with lower scores as well as minorities...but again the focus is always on the minority. It isn't right. If there are 10 openings and 1 black kid got in with lower test scores and 3 white kids with lower test scores and the other spots got filled with the high scorers, candidate number eleven has no right to blame his non acceptance on the one black kid with lower test scores who got in, yet that is exactly what will happen. My point isn't that I agree with AA, it is that AA actually exists for whites as well, but is just ignored. I have a major problem with that. I've stated before that there ARE white only scholarships and not just one, and there are many that are "essentially" white only, you just have to dig under the surface. We aren't that dissimilar in our feelings about race based privilege. Where we seem to divide is the idea that it isn't available for the majority in just as many ways as minorities. I too think the discussion has probaly run its course. I encourage people to look at the things that aren't so obvious. What you may think is not there might really be there in an abundance.
It is not about scrutiny, it's a valid point as to why "black" universities are offering "white" scholarships. I also do not believe in "black" unviversities. I believe that we can and should co-exist in this world because we are the same. No difference at all. For true unity, we must first realize that there really isn't a difference between "races." Germans and Irishman "made" it because they assimilated into "English" society. I am not for ANY program that gives or makes exceptions based on "race" or gender.
Again, one does not have to be a "black" Irishman studying Irish literature in order to receive these scholarships. As stated previously, they JUST have to be studying Irish literature, history, art, etc...So, if a "black" student NOT from Irish descent is studying Irish literature...then HE qualifies for this scholarship. Are the percentages low? YES! Are the percentages low because "blacks" only make up 12% of the population, 1/2 do not graduate high school, and of the rest only a percentage go on to college? One would have to believe that this fact DOES make a difference and is the reason why many students that receive scholarships are "white." What this doesn't prove is that the "white" students got these scholarships because of privilege.
I think you missed my point completely. I was not talking about a "black" student vying for aid against a "white" student. I was making the point that the "black" student will "make" it because of socialization and NOT because of AA, etc. and that the "white" boy will NOT make it because of socialization. I did not imply that the "black" student TOOK anything from the "white" student. Please reread my post. I believe that parents that instill the importance of education in their children will have children that go on to college. I do not feel that AA holds me back, but it IS a form of racial discrimination BY DEFINITION, and thus, serves to put a deeper trench in the great divide between the "races."
So, if we get rid of AA then we do not need to question IF the minority student is there because of his/her hard work or because of the color of their skin. That in and of itself should be motivation enough to end it. To assume that minority students need "protection" from this racist society is insulting. To say that minority students need help while the poor "whites" don't because they are "white" and we all KNOW that they have privilege is damaging. To say that a minority whom is less qualified should get into a university or job over a more qualified "white" person is sad. Yes, there are documented cases where a "white" student worked hard to get into the university of their choice just to be told, "I'm sorry but we had to give a certain number of spots to minority students." There are documented cases where "white" people have scored high on police entrace test only to be told that the positions will be filled with LOWER scoring minority applicants. THAT is also sad. To see your dreams crushed because you were born "white." Yes, some will say that this happens to "blacks" too. However, one can only speculate that the reason that they did not get the job or in the university is based on "race", BUT you can PROVE that "whites" are being descriminated against. If a "white" person is told that he did not get into this university or did not get the job because "we are trying to diversify" then they WERE discriminated against...that is a fact that can not be disputed.
I really can't believe that I have to post this but, sometimes you really don't have to speculate that blacks are being discriminated against when it comes to jobs, promotions etc... It is patently obvious to you when it happens most times. Other times a co-worker in the mix will pull you on the side and tell you, or even more obviously, things will happen such as people taking help wanted signs down and telling you the position has been filled when you walk in the door and putting it back up 15 minutes after you left and doing the exact same things to people of the same race. so YES! some will say (and be absolutely correct) that black people get their "dreams crushed" and lose out on opportunities just because they were born black. I would think that that point would be extraordinarily obvious in this society. Another point is that you still don't know what "diversify" means unless the person is breaking down the demographics for you while you are being denied. Simply saying they need more "diversity" is not code for black. It could mean any number of things including the fact that they just didn't want you and needed a reason to give you. It could mean they needed more women, ESL students, older students etc...Now there are going to be situations where a high scoring/qualified white applicant's denial into ____ is directly associated with a lesser qualified minority applicants acceptance. Guess what? the reverse also happens, yet that is never the topic for discussion. Again my point is not to defend or agree with AA, but to point out that the same privileges can still be found on the other side as well.
When it comes to admissions it is very difficult to know that someone is geting something "just" because of their race. The "diversity" buzz word is not really code for just "black". It could mean people from other parts of the country, different sex, race, people from different socioeconomic backgrounds, different heritage, family situations etc... Yet people always reduce it to a "minority" privelege. Sad.
This is true. I think that some people may assume, though, that if an African American is on campus at an elite school, then she must have been admitted through AA. When colleges send students a rejection letter, they don't say that "Well, we didn't admit you because we had to admit a student with lower test scores and grades," but some will assume that this must have happened. Nor do they tell an African American that she was admitted because of her race. There is no national, uniform method that all colleges use to determine who deserves to be admitted. Some would say that grades and test scores should be the only factor, and that students with the highest grades and scores should be admitted. I don't know if this should be the case, as this assumes that all students, regardless of race and socioecomonic status, have access to quality high schools that have classes that prepare students for college, and counselors who can give more personal attention to their students. I agree that the word "diversity" is an overused code word for "black." I think though, that those who support the idea of AA have injured their cause by only using the "diversity" argument to get more minorities into schools. They should talk more about why many colleges don't have a represenatative amount of minorities on campus, and about the priviledge that wealthy whites have, and continue to have. These students have the monetary means to attend private schools or schools in wealthy districts that offer more classes, tutors, and coaches that can help them get into colleges. This includes SAT classes and earning Advance Placement credits. These students also have a tremendous advantage in applying early decision, which is a college admissions strategy that does not give advantages to minorities, because some minorities have to consider financial aid packages. The acceptance rate for early admission applicants is often better than regular admissions, so many black students miss out on this "advantage." Many also don't qualify for legacy status as many white students do. Also, most of the so-called elite schools are still overwhelmingly white, so I don't really think that whites are at a disadvantage when it comes to being admitted to college. Nursingwise, I find interesting that some think that white males need AA to get into nursing school. While men are underrepresented in nursing, racial minorities are, too. (I mentioned in another thread that I have seen more nurses who are men than I have seen African American or Hispanic nurses of either gender.) I don't know if the solution to the lack of representation in nursing school and in other colleges is AA, but I also believe that some whites still have certain advantages that other races don't.
Decades ago when women were under-represented in allopathic medical schools the "medical community" got together and decided to make their medical school classes reflect the society in which they practice. (Affirmative action) The "medical community" has made great strides in this effort.
My question/curiosity/concern is why if RNs are presently comprised of only 6-7% men, and the "nursing community" is {really} interested in more men choosing a career in nursing then why don't nursing shcools do what medical schools chose to do DECADES ago and make their graduating classes reflect the society in which they practice? Hmmm...
Any thoughts or ideas please feel free to "ring in".
Some great stuff here.
But we are digressing from my OP.
I am not recomending letting idiots into nursing school.
However, if the choice is between a man and a woman with all the same numbers would'nt the logical decision be to admit the man to increase the overall population of men in nursing?
so YES! some will say (and be absolutely correct) that black people get their "dreams crushed" and lose out on opportunities just because they were born black. I would think that that point would be extraordinarily obvious in this society. Another point is that you still don't know what "diversify" means unless the person is breaking down the demographics for you while you are being denied. Simply saying they need more "diversity" is not code for black. It could mean any number of things including the fact that they just didn't want you and needed a reason to give you. It could mean they needed more women, ESL students, older students etc...Now there are going to be situations where a high scoring/qualified white applicant's denial into ____ is directly associated with a lesser qualified minority applicants acceptance. Guess what? the reverse also happens, yet that is never the topic for discussion. Again my point is not to defend or agree with AA, but to point out that the same privileges can still be found on the other side as well.
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I always wonder why people don't seem to get as upset about all of the other preferential admissions policies, legacy, donations etc... and there ARE scholarships for "whites only" Irish American, Italian american, german american, descendants of holocaust etc... they pretty much are going to be white only scholarships same with scholarships for DAR, other pretty much all white private membership organizations, etc... there are plenty out there (just worded in a way that you wouldn't think they are white only). My point is not to say AA is great, but the argument always puts more emphasis on the minority "privilege" and fails to look at the same privileges that still exist on the other side. I can't tell you the number of people who mistakenly think that I must be fielding offers of financial aid and guaranteed acceptance letters from all over the place. Isn't true. I take out student loans like everybody else, recieve no aid for my racial category and got into the nursing program because I am smart and have top grades. I don't even personally know any black student who is getting this aid either. Just not as common as it is made out to be. Not that it isn't out there, but it isn't abundant and there are similar opportunities for whites as well.