ADN's being pushed out

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I work for a large Magnet hospital. As nursing becomes more popular, and nurses not in short supply, I have noticed something ominous has being going on lately. Several of our older and very seasoned ADN nurses are being fired. The excuses for firing are ridiculous. I have sadly seen some excellent nurses lose their jobs. I am wondering if they want to get rid of the ADNs so they can look "better" with an all BSN staff. Or perhaps they want rid of older nurses who have been there longer because they are higher on the pay scale. Either way, it is very scarey. I myself am BSN, and i am not ashamed to say that what I know does not hold a candle to these fired nurses. Any thoughts?

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There have been plenty of studies done. Writing papers in APA format shows the lack of knowledge and professionalism on your part. You can believe what you want but the literature supports the goal of BSN.

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All studies done were by those who gain monetarily by duping nursing students into increasing their student loan debt. The goal of the BSN push is to line the pockets of those doing the pushing. I've contacted the governors of NY, NJ and PA with the information just who is driving the BSN push and why. I can tell you after speaking with one of our top state representatives that here in PA there are no future plans to require a BSN for state nursing license. Once again, it shows how these educated,pompous elitists are so out of touch with reality and so venal that they would try to convince young, uninformed nursing students to increase debt at a time when due to the ACA consolidation of healthcare systems are happening all over. In other words, there will be less healthcare jobs.

And as a side note: Getting into doctorate programs and being awarded the title has less to do with academic merit and more to do with having the right connections such as friends on the committees. And that came straight from those in that inner circle. I respect people for what they do and not what title they may have.

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All studies done were by those who gain monetarily by duping nursing students into increasing their student loan debt. The goal of the BSN push is to line the pockets of those doing the pushing. I've contacted the governors of NY, NJ and PA with the information just who is driving the BSN push and why. I can tell you after speaking with one of our top state representatives that here in PA there are no future plans to require a BSN for state nursing license. Once again, it shows how these educated,pompous elitists are so out of touch with reality and so venal that they would try to convince young, uninformed nursing students to increase debt at a time when due to the ACA consolidation of healthcare systems are happening all over. In other words, there will be less healthcare jobs.

And as a side note: Getting into doctorate programs and being awarded the title has less to do with academic merit and more to do with having the right connections such as friends on the committees. And that came straight from those in that inner circle. I respect people for what they do and not what title they may have.

Again, where is your evidence?

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Writing papers on contemporary nursing thought in APA format in an RN-BSN program will not influence patient outcomes in the least. That's the propaganda being sold, especially to the younger nurses, to get them running back to school for the benefit of all those who will gain monetarily from it. However, experience, knowing what to do in critical situations and certifications that demonstrate proficiency and excellence in specialty areas will affect patient outcomes. Please don't throw garbage from that flawed 2003 study at me. It's been debunked for the fallacy it is many times over in the last ten years. I don't even think the people who published it believe it anymore.

Experience and certifications can exist hand in hand with a BSN. If you don't want to get a BSN, don't get one but please stop telling others to not enhance their education.

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I can't publish the full names of these people for risk of getting them into trouble but they include are Dr. Terry B., Dr. John S., Dr. William B., Dr. John R. just to name a few.

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Sorry, I can't do that. Nursing students as well as existing nurses are being duped out of thousands of dollars and they need to know the truth. The reason why nursing is in the state it's in today is because for decades nurses were afraid to speak up due to repercussions they may face. There's been an unwritten gag order in the nursing profession. But as I told the ANA (And I signed my full name to that letter) that is over because nurses like me are going to speak up and tell the truth.

"The goal of most colleges is to extract as much money from you and your parents as they possibly can.",(Is College a Wast of Time and Money, M. Snyder, March 26th, 2014) By trying to market the lie that BSN prepared nurses provide better patient care, they are seeking to have diploma and associate programs shut their doors leaving no choice for the prospective nurse but to have to attend an over-priced and over-rated four year university nursing program. And as soon as these scheming cockroaches feel they have enough nurses running back for a BSN, to keep the money rolling in, they'll start again by saying nurses need a Master's Degree to elevate the profession. And that was implied a couple of years ago by the state's nurse's association. This will ensure more years of debt for the nurse as well as ensure their complete compliance and conformity even to the point of not speaking up against unsafe patient loads for fear of losing that job and not being able to make debt payments. And they way the ANA and state nursing associations have been treating nurses in recent years is deplorable. Nurses should no longer support the ANA or their state nursing associations until they start supporting nurses at all levels of education; Diploma, Associates and BSN.

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You seem to have a problem with hearing facts that do not support your point of view. It is presumptious of you to say that RN-BSN will never make one a better nurse. Maybe you close your mind to applying new knowledge, but not everyone does. I can assure you that completing RN-BSN did make me a "better nurse" and I know that others have the same experience. I am a nurse that went through an RN-BSN program, and it did make me a better nurse. I'm sorry if that isn't true for everyone. Of course one learns on the job.

No, I have a problem with this degree inflation crap being pushed by the very people who stand to benefit from it and thinking nurses are too stupid to see their real motives.

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Sorry, I can't do that. Nursing students as well as existing nurses are being duped out of thousands of dollars and they need to know the truth. The reason why nursing is in the state it's in today is because for decades nurses were afraid to speak up due to repercussions they may face. There's been an unwritten gag order in the nursing profession. But as I told the ANA (And I signed my full name to that letter) that is over because nurses like me are going to speak up and tell the truth.

"The goal of most colleges is to extract as much money from you and your parents as they possibly can.",(Is College a Wast of Time and Money, M. Snyder, March 26th, 2014) By trying to market the lie that BSN prepared nurses provide better patient care, they are seeking to have diploma and associate programs shut their doors leaving no choice for the prospective nurse but to have to attend an over-priced and over-rated four year university nursing program. And as soon as these scheming cockroaches feel they have enough nurses running back for a BSN, to keep the money rolling in, they'll start again by saying nurses need a Master's Degree to elevate the profession. And that was implied a couple of years ago by the state's nurse's association. This will ensure more years of debt for the nurse as well as ensure their complete compliance and conformity even to the point of not speaking up against unsafe patient loads for fear of losing that job and not being able to make debt payments. And they way the ANA and state nursing associations have been treating nurses in recent years is deplorable. Nurses should no longer support the ANA or their state nursing associations until they start supporting nurses at all levels of education; Diploma, Associates and BSN.

You should have read the article you were talking about. It had absolutely nothing to do with a BSN. Please read the article you are citing.

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If nursing wants to be in an equal partnership with the rest of health care professionals, then the entry level into practice simply has to change. Why is it that physical therapists, occupational therapists, pharmacists and dietitians have all scene the handwriting on the wall but nursing continues to bury its head in the sand about its own future? Denial ain't just a river in Egypt!

I've spoken to professionals in all the areas you mentioned. The degree inflation was nothing more than a feeble attempt to make these professions appear more doctor-like, to keep students in school longer to rake in more tuition revenue and probably to put them in much more debt to keep them more conforming and compliant. The professionals I spoke told me in reality it did nothing to enhance the profession.

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You should have read the article you were talking about. It had absolutely nothing to do with a BSN. Please read the article you are citing.

Right, it had to do with four year colleges and universities in general but it falls in line with many of the same reasons for the BSN push. What I was doing required some transference of thought and thinking outside the box.

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Ahh so your biased small small informal qualitative research trumps Aiken's large sample peer-reviewed quantitative research?

Ahh, you mean friend and supporter-reviewed quantitative research. As in the same people who would give her research a thumbs-up if it concluded the earth was really flat. No politics go on in the magical world of academia right?

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Ahh, you mean friend and supporter-reviewed quantitative research. As in the same people who would give her research a thumbs-up if it concluded the earth was really flat. No politics go on in the magical world of academia right?

Sure. A half-dozen or more major well-powered studies published in major peer-reviewed medical journals are obviously all part of the conspiracy theory designed to rip nursing students off. It must be one of your inside sources that confessed one of the major objectives of medical journals is falsifying nursing education research.

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