ADN's being pushed out

SleeepyRN · Mar 27, 2013

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One of the things that drives me crazy is the invention of euphemistic, non-specific language to promote a point of view that has no real basis in fact. This is rampant in the ongoing campaign by the AACN, the ANA, and a few other groups who are all affiliated with each other.

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Good point to bring up. These terms are being used, then reused by people trying to prove a point, with nothing to back it up. Show me specific examples, not ambiguous language.

You've made some very good points, and I enjoyed pondering them :)

CrunchRN, ADN, RN · Mar 27, 2013

Same argument, different decade. Yawn. :uhoh3:

NurseLatteDNP, MSN, DNP, RN · Mar 27, 2013

The organization I work for has set a goal to have at least 80% of all RN's to have a BSN by 2016. I haven't heard of any old ADN's fired as of yet; however, the organization has required all newly-hired RN's to begin a BSN program within 6 months and finish within 4 years. The best part is that once you've worked for 90 days, the organization pays 100% tuition for the entire program. I start mine later this month.

My hospital is very similar. In 2009, they stopped hiring LVN's. So all LVN's that left us went to local MD offices and nursing homes. That oversaturated the area. We have a local LVN scool that puts out students every year that can not find jobs anywhere.

Now, my hospital only hires ADN's if they are enrolled in a BSN program. We don't have a date set for the 80/20 rule, but if two RN's applied (or GN's) and one got her BSN, the other got her ADN, they will hire the BSN nurse. Every single time.

DNPpat · Mar 27, 2013

Great point about the ADN programs actually taking more than two years. This has been widely discussed among nurse educators. Most ADN nurses have substantially more education that other graduates at the associates' degree level. They have actually made significant progress toward a baccalaureate degree, but don't get the 'credit' if you will. This is the primary reason why many RN-BSN programs only take one year. For many RNs, it only takes a year to accomplish the content needed for the BSN which has not already been covered in nursing pre-reqs and core courses at the associates level.

I also tend to agree that there is a larger 'jump' at the BSN - MSN level.

SleeepyRN · Mar 28, 2013

Same argument, different decade. Yawn.

Just because you've heard the same argument before, everyone should cease discussing their ideas? This "argument" is going to continue because there are new grads every semester. Just because seasoned nurses have heard it all, doesn't mean us newbies can't discuss what we want. If that is all you are going to add to the discussion, why read the thread, and why bother post to it at all?

CrunchRN, ADN, RN · Mar 29, 2013

It has been beaten to death so many times Sleepy. And why did I read it? Because I keep hoping for some new take on the same old argument. And why post? Just to annoy you :)

avengingspirit1 · Mar 30, 2013

The lawsuits will start to come from patients receiving poor care due to these morons in hospital management who'd rather hire BSNs with little or no experience over Associate's and diploma prepared nurses with many years of experience. I am already hearing from patients and nurses in the Phila. area about horrendous things are getting in the hospitals. Is the well-being of patients worth sacrificing so hospitals can get that coveted government stipend after paying the ANA thousands of dollars for what many feel nurses fell is a contrived seal of approval call Magnet Status? I have contacted the media about this nonsense and was asked if other nurses would be willing to speak up.

Laurie52 · Mar 30, 2013

The lawsuits will start to come from patients receiving poor care due to these morons in hospital management who'd rather hire BSNs with little or no experience over Associate's and diploma prepared nurses with many years of experience. I am already hearing from patients and nurses in the Phila. area about horrendous things are getting in the hospitals. Is the well-being of patients worth sacrificing so hospitals can get that coveted government stipend after paying the ANA thousands of dollars for what many feel nurses fell is a contrived seal of approval call Magnet Status? I have contacted the media about this nonsense and was asked if other nurses would be willing to speak up.

What if they hire BSNs with many years of experience?

avengingspirit1 · Mar 30, 2013

No problem there. They have the experience.

Laurie52 · Mar 31, 2013

No problem there. They have the experience.

So, it is not the degree that makes BSNs a poor choice, just their lack of experience? All nurses lacked experience at one time. Why just pick on the BSNs?

soxgirl2008 · Mar 31, 2013

I think what he's talking about is cases where hospitals hire a new grad BSN over an experienced ADN.

SleeepyRN · Mar 31, 2013

It has been beaten to death so many times Sleepy. And why did I read it? Because I keep hoping for some new take on the same old argument. And why post? Just to annoy you :)

LOL. To annoy me. I admit, I got a good chuckle from that. I know you're right, that the topic has been discussed ad nauseum. But I DO think there was some new take on it in this post. After reading many of these kinds of posts, and the healthy debate I had with someone on this thread, I, as an ADN think at least a little differently about the subject. And others have been able to see some of my point as well. I think its the way the topic is discussed. Healthy debate, voicing opinions, with an open mind? Or on the attack from the get go (unconstructive). Still, no matter how many times this has been discussed, we new grads have the right to voice our mind, even if its going to annoy others. Thanks for the laugh crunch ( I can take it as much as I can give it). I appreciate your feedback, as it is your right.