A Student Learned the HARD way... (a little long)

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..about how serious pt. confidentiality and access to their chart info is. (this was unbelievable)

On a med-surg floor a group of students were assigned. A patient on that floor just happened to be the brother of one of those students and happened to be admitted on that floor. He was not assigned to any of the students (he was there for a kidney stone).

Well after clinical was over and all of the students signed off, the sister of the patient (we'll call her "April") went in to visit her brother. He evidently mentioned something about being in pain, and April came out in the hall and said to the nurse "are you just stupid or are you AWARE that he is in pain?". The nurse replied "he had not rang his bell and had not said anything, i was just about to go in there and ask about his pain level". April: "Well i wanna know WHEN he is scheduled for pain meds again, WHAT he is taking, and how OFTEN he's supposed to get it, GOT IT?". Nurse: "I will go in there and speak to him now, but i cannot discuss his medication with you." (How did i know this conversation? April yelled at the nurse so loud, i could hear it 35 ft down the hall.)

So she did, he rated his pain at a 2, and the nurse went to look to see when his next dose was due. Another 45 minutes had to pass before he could get it. The nurse told him this and he said "oh i wouldn't call this pain, if it gets any worse, i'll let you know". The nurse told him that she could make a call to the doctor if he needed an adjustment on pain medicine. He said "I'm OK, but i will let you know if i'm not" and smiled. And the nurse closed the door.

And during all of that conversation, April had gone to the med cart, pulled out the MARs for her brother, went up to the desk, grabbed the CHART, called the doctor at HOME, and started in on him, saying "i know what's best for him, he needs something ELSE, instead of being played off the way you're doing him." Meanwhile the charge nurse made two phone calls, one to security, the other to the clinical instructor, who was one floor down in an education meeting.

So the instructor came on the floor at the same time the charge nurse said "this information is private, and you cannot see this without his consent and the doctor's consent" and grabbed the chart and the MARs. April started screaming a bunch of cuss words about "the incompetent ******es on this floor!" and saying "I'M more aware of how to do things that you idiots are, for God's sake". Right about then two security guards came up and asked her to leave, and she refused. The had to physically carry her to the NM's office, where the clinical instructor said "you're out. You broke the rules, i'm filing the paperwork TONIGHT for your dismissal".

So she was kicked out of school, and was overheard the other day making calls on the payphone to every nursing school around here trying find a way to finish school. All evidently said no, as soon as she'd explained what happened that she wasn't in her program anymore. I'm guessing that she pretty much just shot her career as a nurse, when this goes on her permanent record.

I think the majority of her problem was anger and stress with the long hours and so much time.

It's a shame though. Two months from graduating, to be kicked out and barred from returning because of violating pt. confidentiality. And after all the preaching and lecturing we've all gotten in class where it's concerned, i cannot believe someone would lose their cool like that and blow it.

(edited for spelling)

Interesting....

Yes, this person used poor judgemnet... but WHY was the clinical instructor called in the first place. If the student was "off-duty," it was none of the INSTUCTOR'S business either.

This was an issue for security..... not the instructor.

Violating patient confidentiality is an issue for a nursing instructor to know whether they are on or off duty. I mean, do you think this woman would have gone to the MAR or called the doc if she hadn't been a student there?

Specializes in Hemodialysis, Home Health.
The clinical instructor was called since she was still in the building. If anything incident happens with a student (except their own trip to the ER, admission to the place, etc.), even if she's signed in or out, that kind of behavior become sthe instructors business because that student is representing the program (even more so by still having her clinical uniform on).

Absolutely. ..." that student is representing the program "... gotta agree with that.

Not to mention the fact that an RN couldn't get away with that. Do you think the board of nursing would care if you were on the clock or not when you violated a patient's right to confidentiality and had to be escorted out of the building?LOL!! Not likely!

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

And chances are, it would be the NM/DON's business even if that happened on another floor.

Ok...I must have read the first post really fast, so I missed the point about the instructor not being on the floor because clinical was over.....my bad. I did say that this person, April, behaved badly. I just was unclear about how the other students heard the whole conversation between the nurse and the brother, including him smiling when asked about his pain..etc. and also stuck around long enough on the floor to watch all this action transpire. If I was dismissed and my instructor left the floor, I left too, per policy of my school.

I don't want to seem like the Lone Ranger here, and I do not excuse unprofessional behavior for other nurses/students, nor did I mean to sound like some tenderheart who thinks any of this was ok.

On the other hand, It was not ok for the nurse to talk about the incident the next day with the other students. This whole situation was bad for all parties involved.

Gator

Wow, I haven't read the whole thread yet, but that was totally incompetent of "April" to tell the doctor how to manage his/her patient.

Stress does come into play this time of year with spring break and exams just around the corner, but this was just totally out of line. It just a shame, too. She was so close to graduating. All the education and money down the tube.

That's the sad part... I'll read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I'm not so tired, I just wanted to say something now.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
Ok...I must have read the first post really fast, so I missed the point about the instructor not being on the floor because clinical was over.....my bad. I did say that this person, April, behaved badly. I just was unclear about how the other students heard the whole conversation between the nurse and the brother, including him smiling when asked about his pain..etc. and also stuck around long enough on the floor to watch all this action transpire. If I was dismissed and my instructor left the floor, I left too, per policy of my school.

I don't want to seem like the Lone Ranger here, and I do not excuse unprofessional behavior for other nurses/students, nor did I mean to sound like some tenderheart who thinks any of this was ok.

On the other hand, It was not ok for the nurse to talk about the incident the next day with the other students. This whole situation was bad for all parties involved.

Gator

None of the other students heard her, they'd already left for the day, and she was the only one on that floor. I was only there doing an extra clerking job for the extra hours.

The only thing the instructor said to the other students (the next day) was yet another reminder of pt. confidentiality. She said nothing about the student, although it was obvious something had happened when her clinical locker door was wide open and empty.

Specializes in home health, LTC, assisted living.

Not only did she get dismissed for patient confidentiality, her big mouth got her in trouble. She needs some help and it is her own fault. You do not go shooting off your mouth like that to anyone, let alone when you are on clinical. It's her own fault and no sympathy from me. :chuckle :chuckle

Specializes in home health, LTC, assisted living.
The nursee's take on it (what she said this morning) was this: "I'd rather take a bunch of **** off of someone if it seals their fate that they'll never be in my position EVER."

The patient was discharged, so luckily we won't see her around anymore. And now, the hospital is going to bring up charges.

This just keeps getting better and better! :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle

Specializes in home health, LTC, assisted living.
Interesting....

Yes, this person used poor judgemnet... but WHY was the clinical instructor called in the first place. If the student was "off-duty," it was none of the INSTUCTOR'S business either.

This was an issue for security..... not the instructor.

As a student, you are a representative of your school. :uhoh21:

I feel sorry for her. I was wrote up one time for flippin off someone at work. Lol. I'm still employed there hehe. I already learned my lesson you can't get your emotions rule you.

On a tangent... There was a gal in my nursing school class who ended up backing the instructor into a wall during an arguement. She ended up flunking out but they let her come back into the program (they allow you to repeat any semester only ONCE!) and try again. She flunked out AGAIN, and ended up calling in a bomb threat to the school. Turns out she did have mental health issues, but most certainly got jail time for this.:stone

Missy

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