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- Jul 23, '02 by Love-A-Nurseanother thought, have you tried a wet to dry for a couple of weeks then moving to santyl? as i am sure you are aware, it takes at least a week or so to determine some out- come from what ever product is being use to rule it out or not.
- Jul 23, '02 by SleepyeyesOriginally posted by hoolahan
Well, then the only thing I have ever seen work for a stage 4 decub is clinitron bed. We had one pt w such a huge decub and he had such diarrhea, and we were not allowed to use chux, b/c the wound is supposed to make contact w the bed. It was gross, the bed was all stained from the poop, and the pt had to lay in the stained area, which to me seemed so gross and unsanitary, but it did heal the decub. I believe Medicare does cover a clinitron for a stage 4 decub.
I know duoderm isn't indicated for stage 4, just thought maybe it would keep the wound clean from the stool.
Has the pt been seen by a plastic surgeon?
Let us know how it turns out!! Good luck to you, this pt is lucky to have you as her nurse, your concern for her speaks volumes about the kind of nurse you are. :kiss
Anyhow, those are just a few reasons why I came to prefer a RIK mattress. It's expensive. But I was so hooked after having a couple of pts who should've had decubs and just never broke down, I had my mom buy one for my dad who has MS and though he's been immobile for years, he's also free of decubs. Of course, they say the clinical indication for that mattress is a stg II or greater, but what are they gonna do now that they're moving away from staging decubs?
Am totally enjoying this thread, too, BTW. Thanks!
- Jul 23, '02 by adrienurseStephany, I don't think that Santyl is indicated in this situation, because there is no eschar. It can be a little hard on new granulation tissue.
Does anyone use Cavalon spray? I just noticed yesterday when I was at the librairy that it comes in single use packages, in cream form (has anyone used this)?
Does anyone use Allevyn products?
- Jul 23, '02 by adrienurseP.S. No, we have never consulted a plastic surgeon for this patient. She is palliative, and gets comfort care only -- so therefore no aggressive treatments are to be done.
I think the reason fo any improvements is our excellent CNS who makes a point to come to see her at lease once a week. He has given a wonderful new perspective to this woman's treatment.
- Jul 23, '02 by SleepyeyesOriginally posted by adrienurse
Does anyone use Allevyn products?
- Jul 23, '02 by nascargirl381We have been using Regranex gel which we have been havig great results on diabetic neuropathic ulcers. Regranex is one of the first recombinant platelet derived growth factor for treatment of ulcers. The gel is applied in a thin layer and kept covered with a dampened gauze dressing. We do not let gauze dry out. In combination with the regranex we use LILT therapy (Low-Intensity Laser Therapy) once we change to a dry enviroment. It stimulates the production of the granulation tissue,.
- Jul 23, '02 by hoolahanRegranex is good stuff, about $500 for a tiny tube too! Fortunately it only takes a teensy bit, that is a good idea though.
adir, have you seen the newer clinitron beds? I had a pt who had one in the home, I was doing a sub visit for his regular nurse, it was only clinitron-like in the center of the bed. Very cool, but still hard to keep HOB elevated. Gosh! I used to HATE those beds in the hospital!!! Esp if pt had enteral feeds.
Still though, it is really effective for those stage 4 decubs.
Did I already mention iodosorb? That stuff is great if the wound is draining a lot too. I absolutely swear by this stuff!!
You did say in the first post to imagine we had all the $$ we could want to treat this wound!
- Jul 23, '02 by shygirloriginally posted by lpn,future, rn
panafil would have been my suggestion but since the wound does not need to be debrided, it defeats the purpose and panafil, for what i have seen, heals near the surface and keeps the wound from healing completly. cleansing with ns and applying santyl bid should do the "trick".
- Jul 23, '02 by Love-A-Nurseoriginally posted by shygirl
panafil also is being uses as a cleaner besides being a debriding agent!
- Jul 23, '02 by shygirlOur facility had this person awhile ago and we used panafil on her Stage II ulcer. At first I questioned it also, but the MD was confident that he wanted to stay with the panafil. It worked! The wound was so clean.the dressing changes were only qd instead of , say BID and maybe the time that it was left on worked. The panafil has a stop action time associated with it. After so much time (I'm not sure of this) it allows the wounds to heal!