National Walkout Day March 14 at 10am

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Just a reminder to those who have high schools. Tomorrow is National Walkout Day for high schools to protest gun violence. I am all for students voicing their opinions on such a strong issue. What are your thoughts?

Are you seriously stating that there are no responsible gun owners?

I would say that when a child is shot with a gun, the gun owner ceases to be a responsible gun owner, and all gun owners consider themselves responsible. Till they aren't. Gun owners are only responsible to the extent that they keep the gun in a child free home, the gun is kept in a safe for which only the owner of the gun has the code/combination, and the only time the gun is taken out is when the owner is alone in the home. The instant someone else is able to lay eyes on that gun, the owner ceases to be a responsible gun owner. There are, in actuality, very few responsible gun owners. There are, however, many lucky gun owners. Having the good fortune of luck is not the same thing as being a responsible gun owner. Unless all the conditions I listed are met, there's no way to be considered a responsible gun owner, only a lucky gun owner. If you cannot meet those conditions, you have no business having a gun. Period.

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I would say that when a child is shot with a gun, the gun owner ceases to be a responsible gun owner, and all gun owners consider themselves responsible. Till they aren't. Gun owners are only responsible to the extent that they keep the gun in a child free home, the gun is kept in a safe for which only the owner of the gun has the code/combination, and the only time the gun is taken out is when the owner is alone in the home. The instant someone else is able to lay eyes on that gun, the owner ceases to be a responsible gun owner. There are, in actuality, very few responsible gun owners. There are, however, many lucky gun owners. Having the good fortune of luck is not the same thing as being a responsible gun owner. Unless all the conditions I listed are met, there's no way to be considered a responsible gun owner, only a lucky gun owner. If you cannot meet those conditions, you have no business having a gun. Period.

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Luke 23:34, Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. Amen

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My thoughts: (yeah I'm a day late)

In the USA gun owner ship is a right and a privilege some of the things they do in some countries would never fly. Federal courts already have precent against some things other countries do. (Example: common use clause that was mentioned in the Supreme Court DC v Heller keeps handguns legal)

We are a country will over 350 million guns. ( So They say)We don't have that many deaths mass shooting or accidents in a ten year span that come close to that number so please stop with the "there is no good gun owner" ********

The NRA is made up of millions of people (some say about 5 million due paying people)they vote too. they count as much as those kids do. So it gonna be hard to vote out people cozy to the NRA

Confiscation IS what a lot of people do want. Even Senator Diane Feinstein said in the early 90s ON TAPE if she could make Americans turn them all in she would

No one in their right mind would said they openingly in this day in age becuase I do believe that it is political sucicide (even to some degree in liberal states)

There is a connection to the way we raise our kids and this type of thing it's so common now but people didn't do this type of thing 40 years ago there where way less restrictions then than now. The FBI background check system only begin in 1993.

As for me personally: I support increased looking into people background as whole. I guess like a license type of model. I think it being mandated and funded federally but ran on the state level would work best. (It's easier for 50 states to work with X amount of people than the Feds to work with 365 million people the ATF is woefully under staffed)

I think magizines over 30 rounds should be classed the same as a machine gun (ever expensive and hard to get but if you want them you can have them but it a LOt of work to get) I think magizines amounts should be under 30) I have a number in my mind that's the same as a certain liberal state number it more than 10 rounds but less than a bread box.

I feel guns with fixed (read not modifiable not removable) magazines should be treated differently in class and in total amount than guns with removable magizines. These guns take much longer to reload. They wouldn't be the same in terms of rounds per minute than one with removable magazines

That licsese would have to be renewed so many years. I actually have been trying to work on this idea and thought about sending it to my senator just to see what happens

I'm not a big gun person but I do like the them and I find the legal aspects interesting. Personally I think we can have a best of both worlds type of thing but the pro and anti sides have to come together

I'd rather have a law that works that took a year to formulate than a law that took a month and doesn't do anything other an red tape people who are not the issue. If the control side ishonest about it works to stop bad people they wouldn't have issue with this.

If it was carefully thought out without any " gotcha" type stuff that would be great and stop letting people to break the current gun laws from walking. I worked in a jail for three years and saw people break current federal law and get less than a year for it. With previous felony convictions. That's so wrong. If you saw off a shotgun or get rid of gun serial number or try to convert a semiauto into a full auto you should get 20 years for that ****

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For the record, I am not a gun owner. I believe owning a gun for protection means that I should be able to value my (and my family's) life above another and lethally protect my family. My eternity is secured in Christ, the chance that someone who enters my home has that relationship is slim to none. I can not condemn someone to hell by denying them that chance to develop that relationship, so I choose to not own a gun. That doesn't mean that I feel guns are bad (obviously). I am a Constitutionalist, I fear what is happening to our sacred document, look at "hate speech", how long until your beliefs end up on that list? Look at the protraction of religious freedom in this country, how long before your beliefs are persecuted? AR15's are not any deadlier than other semi automatic guns, a little research will educate you. Knee jerk legislation normally protracts our liberties, look at post 911. Think long and hard before you want government control. Google Venezuela, they are eating their pets.

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For the record, I am not a gun owner. I believe owning a gun for protection means that I should be able to value my (and my family's) life above another and lethally protect my family. My eternity is secured in Christ, the chance that someone who enters my home has that relationship is slim to none. I can not condemn someone to hell by denying them that chance to develop that relationship, so I choose to not own a gun. That doesn't mean that I feel guns are bad (obviously). I am a Constitutionalist, I fear what is happening to our sacred document, look at "hate speech", how long until your beliefs end up on that list? Look at the protraction of religious freedom in this country, how long before your beliefs are persecuted? AR15's are not any deadlier than other semi automatic guns, a little research will educate you. Knee jerk legislation normally protracts our liberties, look at post 911. Think long and hard before you want government control. Google Venezuela, they are eating their pets.

I'm not sure what you mean by protraction of religious freedom? People can practice any religion they want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others (i.e. refusing to issue a marriage license or bake a wedding cake to a gay couple because it is against your religious beliefs is against the law. If one cannot bring themselves to do those things, then they need to have a job where they do not encounter those situations)

I have not shot an AR-15 but I have shot a semi-automatic gun. The video from the classroom at Parkland was 6 seconds long and has at least 20 gunshots. There is NO WAY I could have fired the semi-automatic I did at that rate.

Here is a surgeon's account of treating wounds from an AR-15: What happens when AR-15 rifle bullets tear through the human body – BGR

It is not the same. Not even close. Please do the research yourself before recommending that others do so.

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...The NRA is made up of millions of people (some say about 5 million due paying people)they vote too. they count as much as those kids do. So it gonna be hard to vote out people cozy to the NRA...

Count as much? To who, you? The kids counted waaaaay more to me. WTH? Those children had NO say. We failed our innocent children, period. We all lost. One of those kids could have cured cancer or, AIDS, or been the first woman president, or a great artist or musician, or could have done nothing at all but live their lives peacefully and quietly. Where's their chance or protection? Take your guns. No one with guns protected these kids. NO ONE.

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Why dont they protest rape, violent rap songs, violent video games,teen pregnancy and violence on the elderly, where were the protests after 911?

Actually I think , first they should pull up their pants.

Women tried. They did protest. They tried to have a voice, a big voice, and were knocked down over and over again. Instead of video games and rap songs why don't you just protest the real life problems of prostitution, Media, sex trafficking, now including allowing Russians taking over our country on the internet.....and let's throw guns in... it's all just great...again!

Oh and let's not forget throwing the elderly away in to homes with poor conditions and staffing to be forgotten. Who cares about their pants? That's their way of protest maybe. It's them saying this is what you get people, the same respect you show us and one another. Maybe old folks should start letting their Depends Silhouette hang all out! So what.

Protest after 911? Wasn't hunting down Osama Bin Laden good enough protest? Thanks Mr. Obama. I saw that and thank you and the men and women who risked their lives doing it.

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I have not shot an AR-15 but I have shot a semi-automatic gun. The video from the classroom at Parkland was 6 seconds long and has at least 20 gunshots. There is NO WAY I could have fired the semi-automatic I did at that rate.

Here is a surgeon's account of treating wounds from an AR-15: What happens when AR-15 rifle bullets tear through the human body – BGR

It is not the same. Not even close. Please do the research yourself before recommending that others do so.

Please do some research yourself too. There are semi-auto rifles that are far more powerful than the AR-15 (and clones), yet those aren't anywhere near as hated. You say you have shot these kinds of firearms before, yet not at the same speed. That's very likely a limitation on your own experience or lack thereof and local range rules. If you're looking to shoot very accurately you don't normally shoot fast. If you don't care about accuracy, fast is easy.

None of the magazines the Parkland shooter used had a capacity greater than 10 rounds, he just had a LOT of magazines.

That link you shared? It's basically an appeal to emotion. What it's not telling you is that basically all rifles are more powerful than most handguns. The focus is kept on the AR15 because it's clearly an evil weapon that looks scary. Why does the US Military (and many allies) use the M16 family of machine guns? They're relatively low recoil and they're actually not very effective at killing. They are great at causing wounds. Kill one soldier in battle and you take one soldier out of the fight. Wound one soldier and you take three out of the fight because two others are needed to care for the wounded one.

Just so you know, the media deliberately wants you to think that "Assault Weapon" is a machine gun and therefore a weapon of war. They started this programming back in the 80's when the reporters would say "semi-automatic assault weapon" and then cut to video showing a full-auto machine gun. Machine guns have been HEAVILY regulated in the US since 1934. Legally owned machine guns have only been used ONCE in the commission of a crime. The background checks are very extensive, the weapons are very expensive, and the tax stamp needed is also not cheap.

Long guns (which includes rifles and shotguns) are less of a problem, in actual numbers (and statistically speaking too), than common household tools (or even bare hands) in murders every year. The numbers are so low that they often don't break down that category into anything more specific. Because "Assault Weapon" is a media term and legal definitions vary from state to state (only 7 states "care" to define this) and because they're all just semi-auto rifles anyway, they're all reported in a "rifle" category that includes common hunting and target rifles when it is broken out into rifle/shotgun categories.

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I'm not sure what you mean by protraction of religious freedom? People can practice any religion they want as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others (i.e. refusing to issue a marriage license or bake a wedding cake to a gay couple because it is against your religious beliefs is against the law. If one cannot bring themselves to do those things, then they need to have a job where they do not encounter those situations)

I have not shot an AR-15 but I have shot a semi-automatic gun. The video from the classroom at Parkland was 6 seconds long and has at least 20 gunshots. There is NO WAY I could have fired the semi-automatic I did at that rate.

Here is a surgeon's account of treating wounds from an AR-15: What happens when AR-15 rifle bullets tear through the human body – BGR

It is not the same. Not even close. Please do the research yourself before recommending that others do so.

Whew. Thank you for this. After I read the comment to which you've responded, and read it again, and then picked my jaw off the floor, I decided I just didn't have the energy to respond. You responded perfectly. I'm always shocked when a nurse, to whom I usually grant the benefit of the doubt that the ability to think critically exists, exposes themselves as having such uninformed and emotionally based beliefs. I think of us as educators as well as care givers, and views like those expressed cheapen our credibility as professionals.

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Luke 23:34, Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. Amen

Oh, people who have guns around children know exactly what they're doing. They just don't care about anyone but themselves. An incredible inability or refusal to acknowledge the big picture and think about what's best for humanity, vs. what they consider best for the individual. It's a powerfully selfish and myopic way to exist. Father forgive them, indeed.

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Please do some research yourself too. There are semi-auto rifles that are far more powerful than the AR-15 (and clones), yet those aren't anywhere near as hated. You say you have shot these kinds of firearms before, yet not at the same speed. That's very likely a limitation on your own experience or lack thereof and local range rules. If you're looking to shoot very accurately you don't normally shoot fast. If you don't care about accuracy, fast is easy.

None of the magazines the Parkland shooter used had a capacity greater than 10 rounds, he just had a LOT of magazines.

That link you shared? It's basically an appeal to emotion. What it's not telling you is that basically all rifles are more powerful than most handguns. The focus is kept on the AR15 because it's clearly an evil weapon that looks scary. Why does the US Military (and many allies) use the M16 family of machine guns? They're relatively low recoil and they're actually not very effective at killing. They are great at causing wounds. Kill one soldier in battle and you take one soldier out of the fight. Wound one soldier and you take three out of the fight because two others are needed to care for the wounded one.

Just so you know, the media deliberately wants you to think that "Assault Weapon" is a machine gun and therefore a weapon of war. They started this programming back in the 80's when the reporters would say "semi-automatic assault weapon" and then cut to video showing a full-auto machine gun. Machine guns have been HEAVILY regulated in the US since 1934. Legally owned machine guns have only been used ONCE in the commission of a crime. The background checks are very extensive, the weapons are very expensive, and the tax stamp needed is also not cheap.

Long guns (which includes rifles and shotguns) are less of a problem, in actual numbers (and statistically speaking too), than common household tools (or even bare hands) in murders every year. The numbers are so low that they often don't break down that category into anything more specific. Because "Assault Weapon" is a media term and legal definitions vary from state to state (only 7 states "care" to define this) and because they're all just semi-auto rifles anyway, they're all reported in a "rifle" category that includes common hunting and target rifles when it is broken out into rifle/shotgun categories.

I have done my research. I make sure that I read up on anything that I am passionate about otherwise I would not be able to form a coherent thought on it.

Why would an appeal to emotion be a bad thing? It's not. Humans are emotional beings and that guides the decisions we make. When it doesn't guide someone's decisions, that person is defined as a sociopath.

The reason the AR-15 is specified by so many is because it is the weapon of choice for many mass shooters. I know that there are deadlier weapons and I know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic weapons. Even if I didn't know the difference, you have not invalidated any argument against these rapid-fire, bullet-filled killing machines by using semantics. Using the exact right terminology does not stop people from dying.

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Whew. Thank you for this. After I read the comment to which you've responded, and read it again, and then picked my jaw off the floor, I decided I just didn't have the energy to respond. You responded perfectly. I'm always shocked when a nurse, to whom I usually grant the benefit of the doubt that the ability to think critically exists, exposes themselves as having such uninformed and emotionally based beliefs. I think of us as educators as well as care givers, and views like those expressed cheapen our credibility as professionals.

Thank you

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