Job market- ADN students being warned? - page 2

Ok so I oriented a 4th semester nursing student from the local community college last week and this was for her "trends" class. I work in a state facility for DD population. We got to talking and she of course wants to work in... Read More

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    Other nursing students I have talked to said their instructors/programs DID warn them about the job market - this girl I oriented had no clue. IMO colleges that take taxpayer $$$ should be curtailing their programs to industry demand.

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    I hope the schools have more luck predicting the future two or four years down the line than I do because that it what it would take to do what you are suggesting. Even if they enroll a class sized to meet today's demand, they only stand a 50% chance of being anywhere close to what the future demand might be. There will always be a risk of it being too few or too many. That is why schools don't get involved in making predictions about how employable you will be when you graduate. They can't possibly predict it which rolls us right back to individuals making decisions for themselves based on their own research and willingness to roll the dice in a chosen career path.
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    It doesn't all fall on the nursing schools- much of it has to do with the news media and the fact there was a shortage for so many years. But even the media is starting to recognize that new graduates aren't being readily hired - consider the recent CNN article. Whatever the case I just hope nursing students are being properly informed.
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    Quote from RunnerRN2b2014
    My ASN school graduates approx 100-120 new RNs a year and most of them have jobs lined up before graduation. The Dec 2012 graduating class all passed NCLEX the first time (which is typical for the school) and all have jobs already. It really helps that my school is hospital-affiliated so, even though it's "only" an ASN, we're the grads the system wants and we get priority over all other schools --including the 2 BSN schools in the area.
    Did your school tell you that?
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    Quote from hope3456
    Ok so I oriented a 4th semester nursing student from the local community college last week and this was for her "trends" class. I work in a state facility for DD population. We got to talking and she of course wants to work in a ER. I told her it is really competitive to get into the ER as a new grad and they are hiring mostly BSN's. she said she was going to work on that ... also eluded to being a single parent "so it might take me a while" she said. We are in a rural area and she said based on her clinicals she didn't want to work on the M/S units in the local 2 hospitals. She then said she might relocate to another state and I told her to check into the local job market - some places it is really difficult - if not impossible- to get nursing jobs. I told her that is why I relocated was b/c if the saturated job market in the neighboring state. She was like "really?" She said she didn't know that - she thought nurses could get jobs anywhere. She also stated that she was graduating from a class of 36 students - the class size had been increased from 24 previous year. Later she quietly asks me "so you think I'll have a problem getting a job?" I said "honestly, I'm not sure this area will absorb that many new grad nurses - a lot of times they only want to hire nurses with experience. She was a nice girl and I wish her the best. I told her my facility has a opening coming up and I would put in a good word for her if she was interested - however my manager just hired an experienced RN.

    I know some schools are warning students - I worked with a BSN new grad last year who said the instructors warned the class "your best options right now for employment are the rural areas" as they knew most of the students wanted to move to the city.

    Do you all think nursing students/ potential nursing students are being misled about the job market? Oh and I do say ADN students because we hear so much how hospitals are only hiring BSNs.
    A simple answer....yes.
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    I agree the nursing programs are not responsible for guarantee of employment (or even a prediction of employability), just putting out competent nurses. However the CNN article (dated 1/23/2013) mostly applies to the state of California. The article also states "Demand for health care services is expected to climb as more baby boomers retire and health care reform makes medical care accessible to more people. As older nurses start retiring, economists predict a massive nursing shortage will reemerge in the United States." It also depends on what types of jobs new grads are applying for. You have to pay your dues. Work the less desired shifts for less pay. I know that LTC hires fresh RN's. If thats what they have to do to get there then take that route. That field gives you ample opportunity for skills building and managment. As I said earlier, IMO starting out as LVN and working up the ladder while gaining experience gets better results for future job opportunities. I'm slightly biased though because I am an LVN working my way up.
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    The key word being "predict." I went to nursing school 8 yrs ago and no one ever "predicted" the glut which we currently seem to be in.
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    Articles like this don't really help: (scroll down to the last one)

    Degrees of the Future - Yahoo! Education

    As mentioned, schools do not admit students based on the predictions of the market in 2 years (maybe more, with failure/withrdraw/repeats). Do other colleges, majors or programs do that? Unless it is a private/proprietary school, they are under no obligation to figure out how to get their graduates a job.

    However, NLNAC does look at these numbers, during the accreditation/re-accreditation process. They would like to see a good percentage (I believe our target number was 80%, being realistic for the current market) of graduates with jobs within 6 months. Therefore, programs should adjust their numbers accordingly. Again, this is a balancing act, because no one can truly account for attrition. SO schools will likely over-admit, but should be admitting less than 5 years ago.
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    ProfRN- how do you accurately know how many students got jobs? That is interesting - I didn't know that about accreditation.
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    In this area, there is HUGE competition for new-grad jobs... and a fair amount even for the decent jobs requiring experience.

    While the ADN students have a chance, the local hospitals are all "BSN preferred/required" and they are generally able to fill their needs with such requirements.

    While I can't quote any solid stats, it appears that only the top 30% or so of students are getting hired in these parts.

    Some people are still going into the "intern" programs wherein they enroll at a local community college after licensing and work as "interns" (read unpaid nurses) for 6-12 months in the hopes of getting hired or at least getting some real experience. Downright abusive, IMO, but I was prepared to do the same thing when I graduated in 2009.

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