Job market- ADN students being warned? - page 2
Ok so I oriented a 4th semester nursing student from the local community college last week and this was for her "trends" class. I work in a state facility for DD population. We got to talking and... Read More
Mar 9, '13 by BostonFNP GuideQuote from RunnerRN2b2014Did your school tell you that?My ASN school graduates approx 100-120 new RNs a year and most of them have jobs lined up before graduation. The Dec 2012 graduating class all passed NCLEX the first time (which is typical for the school) and all have jobs already. It really helps that my school is hospital-affiliated so, even though it's "only" an ASN, we're the grads the system wants and we get priority over all other schools --including the 2 BSN schools in the area.
Mar 9, '13 by Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorQuote from hope3456A simple answer....yes.Ok so I oriented a 4th semester nursing student from the local community college last week and this was for her "trends" class. I work in a state facility for DD population. We got to talking and she of course wants to work in a ER. I told her it is really competitive to get into the ER as a new grad and they are hiring mostly BSN's. she said she was going to work on that ... also eluded to being a single parent "so it might take me a while" she said. We are in a rural area and she said based on her clinicals she didn't want to work on the M/S units in the local 2 hospitals. She then said she might relocate to another state and I told her to check into the local job market - some places it is really difficult - if not impossible- to get nursing jobs. I told her that is why I relocated was b/c if the saturated job market in the neighboring state. She was like "really?" She said she didn't know that - she thought nurses could get jobs anywhere. She also stated that she was graduating from a class of 36 students - the class size had been increased from 24 previous year. Later she quietly asks me "so you think I'll have a problem getting a job?" I said "honestly, I'm not sure this area will absorb that many new grad nurses - a lot of times they only want to hire nurses with experience. She was a nice girl and I wish her the best. I told her my facility has a opening coming up and I would put in a good word for her if she was interested - however my manager just hired an experienced RN.
I know some schools are warning students - I worked with a BSN new grad last year who said the instructors warned the class "your best options right now for employment are the rural areas" as they knew most of the students wanted to move to the city.
Do you all think nursing students/ potential nursing students are being misled about the job market? Oh and I do say ADN students because we hear so much how hospitals are only hiring BSNs.
Mar 9, '13 by woobie8504I agree the nursing programs are not responsible for guarantee of employment (or even a prediction of employability), just putting out competent nurses. However the CNN article (dated 1/23/2013) mostly applies to the state of California. The article also states "Demand for health care services is expected to climb as more baby boomers retire and health care reform makes medical care accessible to more people. As older nurses start retiring, economists predict a massive nursing shortage will reemerge in the United States." It also depends on what types of jobs new grads are applying for. You have to pay your dues. Work the less desired shifts for less pay. I know that LTC hires fresh RN's. If thats what they have to do to get there then take that route. That field gives you ample opportunity for skills building and managment. As I said earlier, IMO starting out as LVN and working up the ladder while gaining experience gets better results for future job opportunities. I'm slightly biased though because I am an LVN working my way up.
The key word being "predict." I went to nursing school 8 yrs ago and no one ever "predicted" the glut which we currently seem to be in.
Mar 9, '13 by ProfRN4, MSNArticles like this don't really help: (scroll down to the last one)
Degrees of the Future - Yahoo! Education
As mentioned, schools do not admit students based on the predictions of the market in 2 years (maybe more, with failure/withrdraw/repeats). Do other colleges, majors or programs do that? Unless it is a private/proprietary school, they are under no obligation to figure out how to get their graduates a job.
However, NLNAC does look at these numbers, during the accreditation/re-accreditation process. They would like to see a good percentage (I believe our target number was 80%, being realistic for the current market) of graduates with jobs within 6 months. Therefore, programs should adjust their numbers accordingly. Again, this is a balancing act, because no one can truly account for attrition. SO schools will likely over-admit, but should be admitting less than 5 years ago.
ProfRN- how do you accurately know how many students got jobs? That is interesting - I didn't know that about accreditation.
Mar 9, '13 by ♪♫ in my ♥In this area, there is HUGE competition for new-grad jobs... and a fair amount even for the decent jobs requiring experience.
While the ADN students have a chance, the local hospitals are all "BSN preferred/required" and they are generally able to fill their needs with such requirements.
While I can't quote any solid stats, it appears that only the top 30% or so of students are getting hired in these parts.
Some people are still going into the "intern" programs wherein they enroll at a local community college after licensing and work as "interns" (read unpaid nurses) for 6-12 months in the hopes of getting hired or at least getting some real experience. Downright abusive, IMO, but I was prepared to do the same thing when I graduated in 2009.
Mar 9, '13 by BuckyBadgerRN, RNHA! Nursing positions in the rural areas are hard to come by!! I think schools need to d a better job of letting their students know that this is more to nursing than hospital nursing!! Schools, clinics, dialysis, home health, insurance companies, skilled nursing facilities, prisons, oral surgery offices, public clinics---SO many opportunities!!
Mar 9, '13 by paradiseboundRNIn 1996, during the orientation before entering the nursing program, we were told that there wouldn't be hospital jobs when we graduated and we should plan on working in the community. Some of the orientees decided not to go into nursing because of this. This information always stuck with me even though it really wasn't true until recently. I appreciated that instructor telling us that and took it to heart. I've been in home care for 10 yrs.
Mar 9, '13 by pmabrahamGood day:
Then there's "Study: More BSN nurses means lower mortality rates" Study: More BSN nurses means lower mortality rates | National Nursing News which has me thinking that if I get accepted into the AD program should I just continue on for the BSN.
Mar 9, '13 by prnqday, BSN, RNI don't think it is the schools responsibilty to tell students what the job market is like. Yes, it is nice for students to have a general idea of the job market for new grads (ADN or BSN) however, students should be proactive and do research. I also agree that it is hard to predict the job market years down the line.
My advice to students is that pickings of specialties may be slim however, it is nothing wrong with trying and selling yourself. I'm so glad I didn't listen to those who said " you are a new grad ADN, you may have trouble getting a job". Not only did I get a job as a new grad ADN, but I also got into CVICU! Its been a year since then and I still get offers for ICU,ED, and I just recently accepted a position in Mother/Baby.
In your case, I would have advised the student to go after ER positions as well as other positions that may lead her to the ER job. I think people should go after what they are passionate about or they will be miserable or they may find a new passion where they are.
Just my humble opinion.
Quote from ColleenRN2BHA! Nursing positions in the rural areas are hard to come by!! I think schools need to d a better job of letting their students know that this is more to nursing than hospital nursing!! Schools, clinics, dialysis, home health, insurance companies, skilled nursing facilities, prisons, oral surgery offices, public clinics---SO many opportunities!!
The instructors advised the students that there WERE more jobs in the rural areas....yes there are jobs here but not as lucrative as working in the big city hospitals
Mar 9, '13 by I's and... Oh'sI'm in my last semester of nursing school at a community college and they have been pretty darn open about the possible difficulties that may present. First semester the comment I remember was that "I'd imagine the economy will turn around by the time you get out" and now in fourth semester I've heard "New grad programs are opening... BUT.. you need a 3.0 and there are a lot of applicants. Get a good portfolio together and really make yourself seen out there... volunteer if you need" - so... pretty straight up job if you ask me.