Considering an ADN over a BSN but already have a bachelors - page 3

by heyitsryan 9,742 Views | 38 Comments

Hello everyone, I had a question regarding the associates and the bachelor's degree in nursing. Currently I am active duty Air Force, but plan on getting out soon and am hoping to change my career to nursing. I have a degree... Read More


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    OP, at least part of your living expenses will be covered while you go to school on Post 9/11 GI Bill. My husband is currently earning his MBA on his, and he gets housing allowance. He is going to an on-campus program, and so gets the full amount of housing allowance for an E4 (even though he was a Major, apparently they just set it at that point). As of Oct. 1 of last year, if you are enrolled in a fully online program, you still get half that housing allowance amount. Look into it.
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    Got my BSN after BA. Worked part-time while going to school. If you have the resources to bite the bullet, just dive in for BSN and get it over with. Yes, most places still hire ADN's but the market is very, very crowded and you might be in an area that's hiring only BSN's. They are cranking out ADN's like candy bars so all things being equal, employer might as well bet the biggest degree for their buck! Gets you on the road for NP faster. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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    My first degree was in English. I looked into accelerated BSN programs, but there were very few in my area, and they had wait lists. So I got my ADN and am going to do a bridge program to complete my BSN. In my case, I didn't want to wait.

    In some areas of the country, ADNs are having problems finding work. I didn't have any issues. I had more than one job offer before I graduated and was able to choose which one I wanted to take. I realize it's not like that everywhere.

    Had I found an accelerated program that worked for me, I would have done that. As it is, getting my ADN first has been fine, too.
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    Emilyn, WHERE are ADNs getting hired in Southern California? I have a BS from UCSD and graduated in May from San Diego City College with an ADN. I have applied to hospitals all over California, and San Diego is the worst. Only 4 out of my class of 55 are working in acute care, and they already worked as techs or CNAs at these hospitals. SOme of my classmates who worked as techs or CNA's have not been hired by their hospitals.
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    Quote from akulahawk
    I'm an ADN student, I have a Bachelor's already. While I was applying to programs, I could only apply to ADN programs because the universities that had BSN programs weren't able to take any 2nd Bachelor's students. Given a choice, I'd have gone with an ABSN program as it's fast, efficient, and I'm done in about a year. I didn't have that choice, so I went with what's available, and started to set myself up for a transition to an RN-BSN program. The good news is that I can get a BSN very quickly: just about 6 courses and I'm done. I can also take 4 courses and I'm set up for an MSN program. Or I could take those 4 courses as a post-bac student, get qualified as an MSN student, and while waiting for the program to begin, I take the last 2 courses and "score" a BSN on the way. Direct Entry MSN was considered, but I decided against it because some places won't accept those grads, even if they'd passed the same NCLEX-RN exam that everyone else took.

    I'm going to have a hard enough time getting a job as pretty much everyone has difficulty finding them, but... it won't be because I'm not clinically prepared to begin working as a new grad.
    What schools are you looking at? I had the same situation, I have a previous BS and wanted to get a BSN but couldnt get into any public california schools because they were blocking second bachelor applicants. Now I cant find any schools that will let me start an MSN bridge without at least one year of experience, and no one will hire me because I have an ADN!
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    Quote from ughhmehh
    Now I cant find any schools that will let me start an MSN bridge without at least one year of experience, and no one will hire me because I have an ADN!
    *** That shouldn't be any problem, unless you want to do NP or CRNA. For a non-advanced practice MSN there are many schools that will accept you without experience. With the advent of direct entry MSN where you have new, basicaly trained, RNs graduating with an MSN as their first nursing degree what could be the rational for requiring expereince for an MSN?
    Can I ask what your first degree from UCSD was in and why you later chose to become an RN?
    I moved across the country to the upper mid west from San Diego to get into a critical care nurse residency program. Was the best decision I could have made. I was an ADN grad too.
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** That shouldn't be any problem, unless you want to do NP or CRNA. For a non-advanced practice MSN there are many schools that will accept you without experience. With the advent of direct entry MSN where you have new, basicaly trained, RNs graduating with an MSN as their first nursing degree what could be the rational for requiring expereince for an MSN?
    Can I ask what your first degree from UCSD was in and why you later chose to become an RN?
    I moved across the country to the upper mid west from San Diego to get into a critical care nurse residency program. Was the best decision I could have made. I was an ADN grad too.
    I do want to do the NP route, I have a degree from UCSD in Biology. I actually became interested in nursing while at UCSD but they dont have a nursing school, and I was already a junior. A career counselor said I should just finish my degree and later try NP or PA school. My first choice was to apply to vet school. With my 3.2 GPA I wasnt competitive in CA. But I got in in Scotland and Australia. Unfortunately the year I was waiting to get in, the dollar dropped tremendously in value. My loan was going to be 250K gaining interest from year 1 of a 4 yr program. So I decided to try nursing, because I had an interest in it anyway, I thought I could raise my GPA (and maybe apply to a state veterinary school in the future), and get a decent paying job helping people.
    But by then CA budget was terrible and I couldnt even apply to second bachelor programs at public schools. So now I have an ADN and have been applying everywhere (SNFs, doctors offices, as well as hospitals) all over California for 4 months. It is super depressing. I feel like I made the wrong choice. I am looking into RN-BSN programs, but they are like 2 yrs long. Some of the shorter ones want me to have nursing experience. Can I ask where you moved to? I grew up in southern california and have never lived elsewhere, but this job situation is awful.
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    Quote from ughhmehh
    I do want to do the NP route, I have a degree from UCSD in Biology. I actually became interested in nursing while at UCSD but they dont have a nursing school, and I was already a junior. A career counselor said I should just finish my degree and later try NP or PA school. My first choice was to apply to vet school. With my 3.2 GPA I wasnt competitive in CA. But I got in in Scotland and Australia. Unfortunately the year I was waiting to get in, the dollar dropped tremendously in value. My loan was going to be 250K gaining interest from year 1 of a 4 yr program. So I decided to try nursing, because I had an interest in it anyway, I thought I could raise my GPA (and maybe apply to a state veterinary school in the future), and get a decent paying job helping people.
    But by then CA budget was terrible and I couldnt even apply to second bachelor programs at public schools. So now I have an ADN and have been applying everywhere (SNFs, doctors offices, as well as hospitals) all over California for 4 months. It is super depressing. I feel like I made the wrong choice. I am looking into RN-BSN programs, but they are like 2 yrs long. Some of the shorter ones want me to have nursing experience. Can I ask where you moved to? I grew up in southern california and have never lived elsewhere, but this job situation is awful.
    *** If your goal is NP or CRNA then you will need expereince but you won't need a BSN. Here on allnurses I read about plenty of BSN prepared new grads who can't find work in SoCal. I don't know if getting a BSN would help you. Have you considered PA school? I know in Cal PA programs require health care experience but not in most other places. Here in the midwest PA is a masters program with no health care experience required. Ooops I see you are already an RN.
    I was born and raised in San Diego North county. Oceanside / Carlsbad area. Wisconsin was quite a change to say the least. I took a position in a 9 month critical care nurse residency program. It was fantastic. the pay was low but the skills and training I recieved set me up to write my ticket. I now work in MN make well into 6 figures as an ADN RN (I have a BSN but didn't when I got my current job, got the BSN 100% paid for by my employer) not counting over time. I was in San Diego in August of this year and I do miss it, especialy the ocean but with what I make here and the low cost of living I can afford to live an upper middel class lifestyle. I have looked into it and the RN pay vs cost of living in San Diego (the lowest paying metro area in Ca) would mean a considerable drop in our lifestyle.
    I can tell you that the ADN nursing student who do their preceptorships with me haven't had any trouble getting acute care jobs when they graduate. I wouldn't say there are jobs everywhere and they have to do some looking and applying but they have all managed to get jobs in hospitals.
    I have an army buddy who is an ER nurse manager in San Jose and he tell me there have some jobs up in that area (also the highest paying metro area in the USA for RNs).
    If I were you I would definitaly skip BSN and do MSN instead. If you do decide on BSN consider WGU. I know nurses who had previous degrees and managed to get their BSN there in 6 months.= for around $3,500.
    I know that many new grads have been having good luck landing hospital jobs in North Dakota.
    I wish you luck and if I can be of any help please let me know.
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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    *** If your goal is NP or CRNA then you will need expereince but you won't need a BSN. Here on allnurses I read about plenty of BSN prepared new grads who can't find work in SoCal. I don't know if getting a BSN would help you. Have you considered PA school? I know in Cal PA programs require health care experience but not in most other places. Here in the midwest PA is a masters program with no health care experience required. Ooops I see you are already an RN.
    I was born and raised in San Diego North county. Oceanside / Carlsbad area. Wisconsin was quite a change to say the least. I took a position in a 9 month critical care nurse residency program. It was fantastic. the pay was low but the skills and training I recieved set me up to write my ticket. I now work in MN make well into 6 figures as an ADN RN (I have a BSN but didn't when I got my current job, got the BSN 100% paid for by my employer) not counting over time. I was in San Diego in August of this year and I do miss it, especialy the ocean but with what I make here and the low cost of living I can afford to live an upper middel class lifestyle. I have looked into it and the RN pay vs cost of living in San Diego (the lowest paying metro area in Ca) would mean a considerable drop in our lifestyle.
    I can tell you that the ADN nursing student who do their preceptorships with me haven't had any trouble getting acute care jobs when they graduate. I wouldn't say there are jobs everywhere and they have to do some looking and applying but they have all managed to get jobs in hospitals.
    I have an army buddy who is an ER nurse manager in San Jose and he tell me there have some jobs up in that area (also the highest paying metro area in the USA for RNs).
    If I were you I would definitaly skip BSN and do MSN instead. If you do decide on BSN consider WGU. I know nurses who had previous degrees and managed to get their BSN there in 6 months.= for around $3,500.
    I know that many new grads have been having good luck landing hospital jobs in North Dakota.
    I wish you luck and if I can be of any help please let me know.
    Thank you for the encouragement. I have an interview tomorrow with a clinical research company. Its not nursing, but it is in the science/healthcare field and i need to work after being out of school for 4 months.I am going to apply for my RN license in one of the compact states, and then I think I can apply to jobs in any of the states that are in that agreement? But I am not going to move out of state until I know I have a job!
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    Quote from ughhmehh
    Thank you for the encouragement. I have an interview tomorrow with a clinical research company. Its not nursing, but it is in the science/healthcare field and i need to work after being out of school for 4 months.I am going to apply for my RN license in one of the compact states, and then I think I can apply to jobs in any of the states that are in that agreement? But I am not going to move out of state until I know I have a job!
    *** It doesn't work that way with the compact license. You must live in a compact state to use the license in other compact states. For example if you got a license in Wisconsin, a compact state, but continued to live in Cal you could only work in Wisconsin, not the other compact states. Gatting a different state license is pretty easy. California is famous for be among the most difficult and you already have that one.
    Keep you eye on USAjobs. If you search "nurse" withing 100 miles of San Diego county there are some staff RN listing in Long Beach and some other areas. Also search indeed. Use broad search terms like "nurse" not "RN" or "new grad nurse". I see the navy is opening a new hospital on Camp Pendelton. They might have openings soon. They will show up on USAjobs.
    I was recently on Tri-City Hospital's web site and they have a ton of RN opening but they all want at least 1 year experience. A tough place for you to be. I feel sorry for you and the other new grads having a hard time finding that first job. The false and self serving "nursing shortage" propaganda (there has never been a nursing shortage in the 18 years I have been in nursing) has hurt many like you.
    Here is a list of Ca hospital web sites:
    California Hospitals and Medical Centers CA

    Good luck on your interview!


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