Don't choose a school until you ask these questions!

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Don't choose a school until you ask these questions!

As you consider beginning the journey into nursing, it is very important that you pave the way to success early. There are a lot of choices to be made, and it doesn't matter if you are a fresh new high school graduate or a 45-year old parent considering a second career - you need to consider some things up front. It's frustrating and sad to see, here on allnurses, posts from grads who can't seem to beat the NCLEX, or who have sent out hundreds of resumes, only to get no responses. If all of this time and money is being spent to begin a successful career, how can you increase your chances of meeting that success?

Here are some questions that might be helpful when you start to consider your options for school. This isn't a guaranteed map to success, but if you do take the time to consider all of these things and act on them, you will know that you have put your best effort in.

1. What degree will you get?

It's possible this will seem obvious to you, but for some, it comes as a big surprise to some after graduation when they can't find a job. The higher the degree, the better your job options, but the more time and money you have to invest. If you get a diploma RN, you are less likely to get the job of your dreams than an ADN, and an ADN is less likely than a BSN. It's a trade-off - do you spend more time in school to get a better shot at more jobs, or do you spend less time and money, but limit your options?

Ask yourself these questions:

  • How long can you wait before you are employed?
  • How much can you afford to spend on this? (With this, consider if you have access to financial aid or scholarships. Fill out your FAFSA!)
  • What options do you hope to have available when you graduate? Will going to school longer be worth it to you if it gives you more options?

After you ask yourself these questions, and decide what is more important to you, be prepared to accept the consequences of your choice. You don't want to finish school and enter the job market feeling like it's unfair that others have had experiences you wish you did.

2. What is the reputation of the schools available to you?

While accreditation is obviously something you need to look for in a school, you also need a school with a great reputation. You need to figure this out before you start applying. If you are able to move to a different area for a better school, you may decide to broaden your search and inquiry. If you can't move, this limitation might be a problem.

That said, find a school and find out: what is the school's reputation? Don't ask your neighbors. Don't ask your parents. Don't ask a guy who you know goes to the hospital a lot. None of those people will be looking at your resume in a few years. Ask the nurses. Ask the doctors. Ask the human resources people at hospitals you like. Ask the people who actually will be looking at your resume.

When someone says to you, "We love grads from XYZ school," that's the school you want to put on your list of places to apply. You should never just apply to a school that is easy to get into. Perhaps the school with the best reputation is the hardest to get into, with a year-long wait list. Would you rather wait a year to get into the program you want? Or would you rather wait a year to get a job after you graduate?

3. What is the NCLEX pass rate?

Your potential school's NCLEX pass rate is made public and probably is easy to find on the state board of nursing's website. Look this up!!! If you go to a school with a 50% pass rate, things are not necessarily looking good for your chances when it's your turn to sit for the boards. I know, I know.... "That won't happen to me!" Right? But it can. It is very possible you could be on the wrong side of that statistic.

There are people on allnurses who post that they passed the NCLEX years after they have graduated. If you get through all of school and then you can't pass the NCLEX, that time you spent in school will be meaningless. You need to consider this before you apply to schools. Don't get surprised by this after the fact!

4. Who is working after graduation?

Does the school brag about job placements of their graduates? Ask! If graduates are getting snagged before they walk the stage, this is a school you want to attend.

My own graduation is a week from today. I can't tell you how many fellow graduates have announced they've been hired. They aren't getting terrible jobs, either. They're getting hired places that are top-rated in residency programs in critical care. They're getting placements in their preferred specialties. They're landing the jobs they went into nursing to get, and they're doing it before they graduate.

This is a sign of excellence. This is a sign of a top quality program. These jobs are announced on a bulletin board in the hallway of the building nursing is in. It is so awesome to see new cards get posted on it each day!

5. What kinds of clinical experiences will you have?

This is an important one for your own satisfaction - will you have access to experiences that you feel have really taught you a lot? The thing is, you can get through school just fine with clinical experiences that aren't fantastic. But if good clinical experiences are important to you, you may need to consider traveling. This is especially true in more rural areas. In larger cities, there is more access to facilities that handle higher acuity cases and more complex medical care is possible. In rural areas, your access to facilities in general will be limited, and you may not experience very much at all.

Point in case, where I live, anything complicated gets shipped off to hospitals 2 hours away. We didn't see much. If intense and complex clinical experiences are important to you, you need to determine what is available in your potential programs before you apply. Send an email to department heads or advisors asking where clinicals are for each specialty. Find out of you feel like you will get what you hope to gain from your experiences.

6. Once you are in a program, use your clinical experiences to network.

If you want your foot in a door before you graduate, this is the time to stick it in there. Be amazing. Impress the nurses, the charge nurses, the unit managers, your professors. Take challenges head on. Volunteer for any experience you can get. Seek opportunities for learning. Go above and beyond. NETWORK. This is your opportunity to impress people you could work with in the future. You miss this opportunity, you become a name on a list just like every other person sending in a resume.

Nursing school is hard. Don't let yourself get surprised by the lack of job opportunities after graduation. You are about to invest a lot of time and money into something that you want. Imagine all of the big things in life that you would never take on without research first - buying a car, moving to a new city, buying a house... You are choosing a career, and you need to set yourself up for success. I'm not saying the above considerations will guarantee success, but you will at least be improving your chances of it. There is so much more to this than deciding that you might apply to that community college down the road.

Consider your options, consider the consequences. Decide what consequences you are willing to accept, and which ones you are not. If you don't do this soul searching ahead of time, you may find yourself very frustrated in a few years.

With that, I say, best wishes, and good luck! I hope that you find success in all you do!

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Specializes in Emergency, Med-Surg, Progressive Care.

7. Is this school authorized to operate a nursing education program by the state board of nursing? (for initial licensure programs)

8. Is this school accredited by one of the six regional accreditation organizations?

9. Is the nursing program accredited by the ACEN or CCNE?

10. Is this school a non-profit institution?

The answer should be 'yes' to all of the above, and these should really be the first-round disqualifiers for any prospective nursing student.

Specializes in critical care.
7. Is this school authorized to operate a nursing education program by the state board of nursing? (for initial licensure programs)

8. Is this school accredited by one of the six regional accreditation organizations?

9. Is the nursing program accredited by the ACEN or CCNE?

10. Is this school a non-profit institution?

The answer should be 'yes' to all of the above, and these should really be the first-round disqualifiers for any prospective nursing student.

Oh my goodness does #7 happen?! I know the others do, but schools operate without even being authorized? That is frightening!!!

Specializes in NICU, ICU, PICU, Academia.

#11 - Will I be able to AFFORD this school?

Do the math BEFORE YOU APPLY and see exactly what student loan payments will be upon graduation. Will choosing this school impact your future ability to afford a home, put kids through their own college education or save for retirement? Can you choose a less expensive school? Can you delay admission and save like crazy for a year or two and perhaps pay cash for a public institution- thereby saving yourself a decade or more of student loan debt?

Specializes in ICU.

This is a very important article. Too many times I see people sucked in by the "salespeople" in the admissions dept. of a school. Here is a hint, if the school is running commercial after commercial while Jerry Springer is on, probably not a good school to go to. Please investigate and spend your money wisely. School needs to be looked at as an investment in yourself. Invest in yourself and do it well. Don't end up with over $100,000 in student loans that will take you forever to pay back and cost as much as a house payment. You will basically be working for several years just to pay the interest on these loans. I prefer not to live in debt and it has served me well over the years.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Oh my goodness does #7 happen?! I know the others do, but schools operate without even being authorized? That is frightening!!!
Oh yeah....they have some obscure "accreditation" information n the sites and students graduate only to find they can't sit for NCLEX. Or they want to move and find they can't get a license in another state or try to go back to school and find nothing qualifies them from their previous schooling.

These are commonly schools that are for profit and charge an arm and a leg for tuition. People are desperate to get in and can't get into other programs and they promise admission. People don't read the fine print.

I'm keeping this advice when I apply.

Thanks!

#12 - Will I be able to transfer the credits I earned from this school to another school after I graduate?

Some students find that if they want to further their education, the credits they earn at some school do not transfer to other programs. So if you initially earn an associates degree and want to go on to a BSN, you will have to start from scratch. OUCH!

Thanks for the info on what to ask. I just signed up for lpn classes but the cost is about 27,000 and the credits aren't transferable ( just found that out). Going to withdraw Monday :(

Specializes in Emergency, Med-Surg, Progressive Care.
#12 - Will I be able to transfer the credits I earned from this school to another school after I graduate?

Some students find that if they want to further their education, the credits they earn at some school do not transfer to other programs. So if you initially earn an associates degree and want to go on to a BSN, you will have to start from scratch. OUCH!

My number 8 and 9 should cover that. Credits often don't transfer from schools because they aren't regionally accredited. If you ever see an ITT tech commercial, look for the text that says "credits earned are unlikely to transfer". That's because they lack regional accreditation. Beware that the CCNE does accredit non-regionally accredited schools (Aspen, for example). If I had my druthers, all the states would get together and unanimously declare that only schools that meet all the requirements I've previously posted may have graduates sit for the NCLEX. These for-profit schools are making the path to nursing way too available, which drives down wages for all of us. Would the LCME or ABA accredit Devry or University of Phoenix to operate a medical or law school? No! It's almost unfathomable to me that CCNE and ACEN will accredit for-profit schools. It really drives down the value of my degree when they allow schools with a 100% acceptance rate to offer nursing degrees.

Specializes in critical care.
Thanks for the info on what to ask. I just signed up for lpn classes but the cost is about 27,000 and the credits aren't transferable ( just found that out). Going to withdraw Monday :(

Oh my goodness! It's like a blessing and a horror all wrapped into one! Glad you're dodging that bullet, though!

Thanks for the info on what to ask. I just signed up for lpn classes but the cost is about 27,000 and the credits aren't transferable ( just found that out). Going to withdraw Monday :(

It's better that you found out now, instead of when you were near the end of this expensive program. Best of luck!