A&P Test was a terrible nightmare - page 2

I had a hard time with many questions, he tested on stuff (meiosis) that he said we wouldn't cover in this course. He tested on tissue material. He also said that he wouldnl't include any of that... Read More

  1. by   stpauligirl
    Quote from nursinguy
    I feel your pain. My A&P instructor is just as hard as yours. She expects you to draw conclusions, inferances that are not in her notes or the text book. She says she wants critical thinking. I understand that and am ok with it but how to you know if you are wrong though? So far 3 A's in the class and 1 B, 7 C's, 8 D's and 14 F's. Feels like I'm in medshcool, not A&P.
    We got our test back yesterday, 0 A, 2 B, some C, and the rest right down the crapper. Idon't like bragging but I have the highes grade of 85....his lab test was just as crazy as the lecture test. You have to knkow everything, every last little thing. I have notliced that he is very heavy into Chemistry. students that haven't taken the Intro Chem or Org/Bio Chem, that are specifically designed for nursing majors, will not suceed in his class. But nobody tells you this stuff before you register. Aaarrrgghhh....it's gonna be a real struggle until December. Hang in there!
  2. by   jen7393
    Quote from stpauligirl
    We got our test back yesterday, 0 A, 2 B, some C, and the rest right down the crapper. Idon't like bragging but I have the highes grade of 85....his lab test was just as crazy as the lecture test. You have to knkow everything, every last little thing. I have notliced that he is very heavy into Chemistry. students that haven't taken the Intro Chem or Org/Bio Chem, that are specifically designed for nursing majors, will not suceed in his class. But nobody tells you this stuff before you register. Aaarrrgghhh....it's gonna be a real struggle until December. Hang in there!
    I just went throught he same type of situation. Let me just say, it didn't get overlooked! Find out if the instructor actually KNOWS what is expected. MY A&PI instructor was brand new and it showed!! Talk to the team leader and make them aware of what is going on before the semester/quarter is over. Encourage the other students to do the same if you can. They need to know what and how things are being taught or NOT taught! Especially if you have the highest grade in the class.

    I will start A&PII on Saturday and I am terrified that I have not learned what I need to know to do well! We didn't even go in depth with the Na/K+ pump! She was more concerned with gross anatomy because that is what SHE was comfortable with, not what the pre-nursing students needed to understand. I hated that many people just dropped the class because it made them feel like they couldn;t handle it. It was not presented fairly!!!

    Good Luck!!!!!!!
    Last edit by jen7393 on Sep 30, '05 : Reason: Not Na/P Pump.Duh!
  3. by   nursinguy
    Quote from stpauligirl
    We got our test back yesterday, 0 A, 2 B, some C, and the rest right down the crapper. Idon't like bragging but I have the highes grade of 85....his lab test was just as crazy as the lecture test. You have to knkow everything, every last little thing. I have notliced that he is very heavy into Chemistry. students that haven't taken the Intro Chem or Org/Bio Chem, that are specifically designed for nursing majors, will not suceed in his class. But nobody tells you this stuff before you register. Aaarrrgghhh....it's gonna be a real struggle until December. Hang in there!
    Remember grades in A&P is very relative to the instructor. A (A) in my A&P class would be a C in another instructors class. My A&P instructor would require several BIO classes as well as several other chemistry classes before you even chould take A&P, add to that she like to teach her class over 2 semesters just for the first 1/2 of A&P. A (C) in her class whould be a (A) in nearly every other A&P class. Yes you get a worse grade than many other A&P classes, but I garantee you will come out her class Knowing alot more and being better prepared for nursing, because you will have all your stuff down alot better than most A&P classes.
    Last edit by nursinguy on Oct 1, '05
  4. by   stpauligirl
    Quote from nursinguy
    Remember grades in A&P is very relative to the instructor. A (A) in my A&P class would be a C in another instructors class. My A&P instructor would require several BIO classes as well as several other chemistry classes before you even chould take A&P, add to that she like to teach her class over 2 semesters just for the first 1/2 of A&P. A (C) in her class whould be a (A) in nearly every other A&P class. Yes you get a worse grade than many other A&P classes, but I garantee you will come out her class Knowing alot more and being better prepared for nursing, because you will have all your stuff down alot better than most A&P classes.
    You are right about learning alot of important stuff for nursing school. He is very heavy on concepts example, osmosis, where the antecubital vein is located etc.and I truly appreciate that. The dilemma is however, if I only get a B in his class the nursing school doesn't know that my professor was Dr. XYZ He himself told us that if you want to get into nursing school they look at your A&P grade, if you want to get into Medical School they look more your Chemistry grades. So all the people who get an A will get in and I go into the trashcan. Gosh, this makes me so dizzy! Thank you for your support, I am studying my tail off this weekend and take small breaks in between.
  5. by   nursinguy
    Quote from stpauligirl
    You are right about learning alot of important stuff for nursing school. He is very heavy on concepts example, osmosis, where the antecubital vein is located etc.and I truly appreciate that. The dilemma is however, if I only get a B in his class the nursing school doesn't know that my professor was Dr. XYZ He himself told us that if you want to get into nursing school they look at your A&P grade, if you want to get into Medical School they look more your Chemistry grades. So all the people who get an A will get in and I go into the trashcan. Gosh, this makes me so dizzy! Thank you for your support, I am studying my tail off this weekend and take small breaks in between.
    I hear you but remember grades are relative to the teacher. Yes the nursing programs wont care. Alot people skate by by picking the easyest teacher they can get to get a (A) and dont deserve to be where they are while other get a teacher that acts like its Med-school and get a (C) ,but they know more than the person who picked a easy teacher just to get a (A).
  6. by   stpauligirl
    Quote from nursinguy
    I hear you but remember grades are relative to the teacher. Yes the nursing programs wont care. Alot people skate by by picking the easyest teacher they can get to get a (A) and dont deserve to be where they are while other get a teacher that acts like its Med-school and get a (C) ,but they know more than the person who picked a easy teacher just to get a (A).
    I will continue to do my very best in his class. That's all I can do...and hope it will be good enough. I have worked hard all weekend and I have lecture today. I am starting to tape him also...maybe that will help.
    Thanks for putting things in perspective for me, I get so emotional about this because I care and it matters to me how well I do in school!
  7. by   mattsmom64
    Quote from Future_RN_Jess
    First of all let me express to you how sorry I am about your situation. I know how stressful it feels so as a word of advice.....

    It has been my personal experience so as a word of advice.........................when an instructor tells you that such and such will not be on the exam.......STUDY IT ANYWAYS!

    Now you know how the instructor tests. You know the style etc.......if after emailing him you don't find a middle ground all I can suggest is to put this negative experience behind you and study hard for the lab exam.

    Don't focus on how "terrible of a teacher he may be" rather take the challenge in give it your best. If you drop the course you will only set yourself back and must attempt it over again. More than likely you will have to pay for the course regardless so just stay and try your best to "absorb" everything you can so if you do end up taking it over it will be that much easier.

    Best wishes to you. Go in with a positive attitude and give it another shot.
    Great advice Jess!
  8. by   mattsmom64
    Quote from stpauligirl
    I will continue to do my very best in his class. That's all I can do...and hope it will be good enough. I have worked hard all weekend and I have lecture today. I am starting to tape him also...maybe that will help.
    Thanks for putting things in perspective for me, I get so emotional about this because I care and it matters to me how well I do in school!
    Congrats on the good grade on your test! Taping lecture is an excellent idea. I start taping my Pathophysiology class this semester and it has really helped. Two exams into the semester and I have a 98 average. By listening to the tapes you not only pick up on info that you may have missed in class, but you can also listen to the instructors voice inflection. You can sort of gauge what the instructor thinks is important for you to know by their tone of voice and small references that they make.

    Does your text come with a workbook? If it does use that. Some professors take their questions from the texts test bank and the study guide can give you a good indication on what to expect. Likewise, if your text has a companion website, utilize that as well for the same reason.

    It's essential that you obtain a thorough understanding of your A&P if you want to succeed in NS. I am taking Patho right now which is required by most Nursing Programs. We meet once a week and cover one system per week. We are expected to know the normal physiology of each system. Our instructor doesn't review it. On our exams we are tested not only on the patho but the normal as well. We were told that once we are in the program, every test we take will be cumulative based on all of the prior knowledge we obtained before being admitted to the program as well as topics that are covered in class. They make it tough while we are in school so we can pass NCLEX. What good is a 4.0 average in school if you can't pass boards?

    With that said, view this class as a great opportunity instead of a frustrating challenge. Even though you are a very good student, this professor wil force you to grow even more, and you will become a better student. My instructor for A&P was like yours and I was able to obtain an A in the class. It wasn't easy and I didn't get much out of lecture, but boy did I learn alot on my own! Also try doing a google search for anatomy and physiology, there are a ton of good sites out there. Here are some of my favorites:

    interactivephysiology.com
    this site will give you a 24 hr free trial period then you need to purchase it for the year I HIGHLY recommend this site! It is by A.D.A.M and it has the best animated tutorials that I have ever seen!

    also,

    http://science.nhmccd.edu/biol/ap1.html

    http://www.msjensen.gen.umn.edu/webanatomy/

    http://www.kumc.edu/instruction/medi...tomy/histoweb/

    http://www.paccd.cc.ca.us/instadmn/p...physiology.htm

    http://www.getbodysmart.com/index.htm

    http://www.gwc.maricopa.edu/class/bio201/index.htm
    for the above site, click on the link towards the bottom of tha page titled "Cool links" the link on the sidebar no longer works.....


    Here are also a couple of good Micro links:

    http://science.nhmccd.edu/biol/microbio.html

    http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~johnson/labtools.html

    http://www.drketi.com/EduLinks.html

    Good luck!

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