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- Jun 12, '11 by PDXPonySN913LuvMyBugs...
Good for you for sticking it out with the application process. I feel your frustration at not finding a job. I hope you get a job soon. Don't give up.
I've a 94 percentile on my MAT, and a prior BA. I could go into an accelerated MSN program - If I wait a year or two, retake a class, and then go to school for four or more years. I'm tired of waiting, also.
I'd never go into an OCNE nursing program. I've seen what OCNE has to offer. For some, I guess it's just the only choice. O.K. They have their OCNE.
I am so happy that ITT has a nursing program. I don't want to wait through another year or more of applications. I have already taken more than two years of pre-requisites and waited two plus additional years. I want to be a nurse.
ITT represents more choices for Oregon nursing students. ITT is another option in a region where options have become limited by OHSU's OCNE. Having quality and variety in Oregon nursing programs is the ideal. ITT is a good thing for nursing. It is good for Oregon. ITT is good for me.
I'll do my best to leave Oregon and OHSU, to all of the other grads if that is the source of hostility toward ITT. Just because people go to ITT, does not mean they are not "keeping their eyes open". People going into OCNE are taking chances. Most likely, much greater chances than they think. OCNE makes absolutely no guarantees to nursing students, but the sell is that OCNE does.
So far, most of the negative information posted about ITT has been incorrect... ITT is nationally accredited. ITT graduates take the same national exam as everyone else and they earn their RN that same way as everyone else does. Two local Universities will look at ITT graduates. Even without having graduated a first cohort, ITT students are already getting job offers.
It is good to have different nursing progams available to people with different needs and similar goals. It would be better to hire people with different backgrounds, and different educations, so that problem solving in the nursing environment can be approached from different angles - in cooperation and in collaboration. OHSU does not want to hire students from outside OCNE. O.K.
Bringing in graduates from different nursing schools, brings more variety of thought processes and phylosophies. In a cooperative environment, this is the better option. If this is not OHSU's phylosophy - OHSU and OCNE, are not for me. I'd like to have other choices.
I've always hoped to work or attend classes with people who are nothing like me - so I can learn and grow the most from them. An employer who hires from a variety of schools and backgrounds, will benefit with more positive synergy, and greater productivity potential. Variety amoung employees brings new, and innovative ideas. I want to work for an employer who facilitates leadership, synergy, innovation, team work, and collaboration. This will not be as prevelant, where everyone went through the same system, and belongs to the same "good ol' boys club".
For those who are not interested in nursing because they want to join some special elite club, ITT represents an alternate choice where students serious enough about nursing, can take a less traveled but more difficult path toward becoming a real nurse.
- Jun 12, '11 by kamabokoI'll toss my two bones into this conversation. As I've mentioned a number of times, a good friend of mine recruits in the med industry; primarily MD's and NP's. He too, is a former NP. His advice to me was to stay away from 'for profit' schools such as ITT. First, they're too dang expensive, and second, it's all about pedigree and ITT doesn't have it. If you're going to drop a load of cash, do it at OHSU. Unfortunately, the med profession is a 'club', so one has to make sure they go to the 'right' schools.
- Jun 12, '11 by jimithing112In addition, OCNE students do not have to "compete" for entry to OHSU's BSN program. OCNE *is* part of the BSN program, and those who opt to continue to OHSU for their BSN don't have to apply or compete for spots. It's not another application process; it's a coadmission to OHSU. There's so much in all of your posts that I disagree with, and I wonder where you're getting your information. Maybe www.ocne.org will have some of the facts about which you're making conjectures.
- Jun 12, '11 by PDXPonySN913Kamaboko and Jimithing112;
I'm a nobody. I'm also, clearly not very smart. My words are not worthy of your attention. I'd go with experts and trusted friends over the advice of a not-very-smart-nobody. Join that "club". That would be wisest. Decisions made upon sound beliefs and the best available information from trusted sources, are usually sound. I hope you find the "club" is all you expect it to be, and even better. Be happy.
OCNE is not my cup of tea. This leaves more "tea," for OCNE enthusiasts to drink. Your gain, my loss....don't you think? I'm glad to have an alternate choice.
I didn't see any of this data on the OCNE link posted above. Wow! You both sound like you are so well connected. I'm not as smart as you, so maybe you could be kind, and help a dummy out...? Especially since I will end up way more in debt than you, with a useless RN, and no job...if I'm lucky.
I'd sure like to know any of the following data. Maybe there is a direct link to a webpage, or something? I did not find it. ...or maybe someone with access to direct data in a program has might volunteer some of this data?
1) What's the overall graduation rate for OCNE programs?
(starting cohort #/graduating cohort #)
2) What overall percentage of OCNE students, finish the program within the length of the program?
(I.E.: Given a two year program, ___ % graduate within two years.)
3) Is there a required GPA to articulate into OHSU's BSN program? If so, what is the eligible GPA for articulating into OHSU's BSN?
4) What overall percentage of OCNE students have an eligible GPA to articulate into OHSU's BSN?
5) What percentage of overall OCNE graduates articulate into OHSU's BSN program?
6) Not counting OHSU graduates, what percentage of overall OCNE graduates are hired by OHSU - as graduate nurses?...for each year of the program?
7) Do OHSU student nurses and graduates have a disproportionately higher make-up of OCNE nurses employed by OHSU? ... and of seats in OHSU's nursing programs? What are the ratios?
8) Is OHSU's BSN program limitless to all OCNE students? What does it take, to be eligible to articulate into an OHSU BSN seat? (Can all OCNE students who want a seat, and meet a minimum eligibity, get a seat?)
9) What percentage of OCNE students, get a BSN seat at the point of articulation?
10) Counting the maximum seats available for each program, how many OCNE seats are available - throughout all of the OCNE system? How many OCNE seats are full, and actively in classes and eligible for clinicals - at any reasonably near point in time? (seats available/seats active - using the same point in time.)
If OCNE is tracking its own performance, they should know at least some of these numbers, right? If OCNE doesn't know any of these numbers.....?
- Jun 13, '11 by kamabokoCare1,
Your self-deprecating reply struck me as childish. As for all of those 'important' questions you posted, they struck me as pointless. Why is it important for me to know how long it takes another student to complete a program? Why is it important for me to know the graduation rate? I'm concerned with 'my' performance, not another student. Half the students in my first A&P class took it for a second time to get an 'A'. Was that to mean it was going to take me two attempts? No.
I'm sure there's plenty of tea at ITT for you to drink. I suggest you savor it at the price it's offered. $30K+ for an associates degree? Sheer insanity.
- Jun 13, '11 by PDXPonySN913kamaboko -
Your post was very mean spirited.
I'm sorry if I did anything to offend you. My previous post was more sincere than you might think. I may be the most unimportant person I have ever known.
You really do sound like you are well connected, ...and much smarter than me. I believe you will go much farther in life than me. Sincerely. Those stats are important - to me. I couldn't find them, and I've been looking for months... see how "not smart" I am?
If the stats were available, I believe they'd give an important description of the program. Nursing school, is nothing like pre-req's. I know from experience. Things just look a whole lot different, from the inside.
Your posts are really mean spirited, kamaboko.
- Jun 13, '11 by jimithing112.......
- Jun 14, '11 by airbenderI try not to get too controversial on this message board. But really, I do think nursing school should be a little exclusive. I do think potential nursing students should excel academically, and have life and work experience that support critical and independent thinking, scientific inquiry, and common sense. I want nurses who care for my family to be sharp, well-educated, and resourceful. I don't care where they went to school one bit. But I do think a rigorous application process gives Portland area medical facilities some great nurses, as well as a ton of new grads who can't find work.
I'm sure ITT can turn out fine nurses, but it comes at great expense to the student. I think that's what Kamaboko was saying; with so many schools, a new tech school that lacks accreditation by the state is not going to be as competitive. That is just information sharing to me, and not meant as an attack on anyone's decision. For me, that is an important piece of information as I decide where to spend my hard-earned money and precious time.
I'm not sure the what the criticism of the OCNE programs are; I certainly don't think they're the end-all, be-all for nursing programs. You can find out pass rates on the Oregon Board of Nursing website. It looks like they're above the required standard to stay NLN-accredited.
Also, an interesting study was published last year, about prospective nursing students in Oregon, and the exaggerated competitive claims. Check it out: http://www.ocnnursingdiversity.org/d...2010Report.pdf
Good luck to everyone in their nursing career. I think there is room enough for everyone. As a future OHSU student, I've read (and heard) a number of people in this forum, as well as in my classes, saying that attending OHSU was a waste of money when you could attend a community college and bridge in. Honestly, I could care less what others think of my academic and professional choices - it's a liberating feeling!
- Jun 14, '11 by jimithing112Thank you, airbender, for bringing a balanced and respectful response. I planned to, but didn't have the energy. Good luck at OHSU!