I ask this GREAT Nursing Community to Please Help Me with Picking Up the Pieces

ruralgirl08 · Mar 6, 2011

Hi I am from Canada, so it is a bit different here. But, it sounds that you are doing the right things. If you cannot move for some type of internship program or job elsewhere, then the surgical-technologist route sounds to me, like it would be a good asset to you. Something you can use when you find that OR RN position.

It may be beneficial to get a casual RN job while you are in school though, working part-time or casual, is alot less stressful then full time work especially in an area you might not like that much, and current RN experience with good references would help support your resume. (Not saying that is has to be med-surg either.)

Do they offer RN OR training programs through community colleges in your area? If they do, this maybe a more direct route.

Just remember either way, the learning curve for OR is tough & can be very stressful, the environment can also be intense & hostile at times so you need to be prepared for this. Take care of yourself first, this is your #1 priority, you are your own advocate in nursing, and you need to be in balance to be an effective care provider to others. Do not let yourself get to the burnout point. (From experience, you & your family are probably familiar with the warning signs, so be aware.) I don't know how to help, other then offer support to you. You sound like you are actively trying. I believe that perseverance does pay off eventually, so keep it up. Good luck.

CNM2B201? · Mar 6, 2011

I am not an RN yet...but I think that when I do become one I want to be in the OR and like you I have thought about becoming a Surg Tech to gain OR experience and so I can learn to scrub which really gets me excited and interest me!! I personally think its a good decision but would also love to hear what the experienced OR nurses on here think about it!

To Help and Learn · Mar 6, 2011

Thank you ruralgirl08 for being the first to post a reply. A neighbor from the north I see. Moving is not an option for me but I did get my NY nursing license on top of my NJ nursing license to increase the opportunities that are available to me.

In my searches for employment I come across very little casual RN positions. I agree with you that if I got a job as a casual RN it would be good for references and help support the resume. From my experiences since I am still considered a new graduate those positions that are for part-time are open only for experienced RNs.

I have searched for RN OR training programs and it seems they were popular about three years ago but are no longer available in my area. I saw through my searches that Canada had some programs given through their community colleges. There are some RN OR training programs still offered in California, Florida, Arizona, Texas, but none that I have found yet that are close by the Northern NJ area.

Thanks for the heads up about the learning curve for the OR and what type of environment to be prepared for. I am aware that there is a lot of strong personalities in the OR and you need to be assertive and not take things personally. I have been told that with all that is going on in the OR you need to keep in mind what the main focus is which is the patient.

I am doing my best to take care of myself. Thanks for your concern. I do not ever want to find myself in the position I was in back in December of 2009, so this is why I am taking well thought out steps to a career that I think would be a good fit.

You said "I don't know how to help, other then offer support to you" well, let me tell you something, your support is a lot of help and both my wife and I appreciate it. I see that you are a OR hopeful so I wish you the best in making that a reality. Let me know if you want me to give you the info I found on the schools in Canada offering certificates in Perioperative Nursing. Good luck to you as well.

To Help and Learn · Mar 6, 2011

Thank you CNM2B201? for posting a reply. Good luck to you on obtaining your RN and getting into the OR if you think this is the speciality you want to get into. You are already making smart decisions by joining this site.

You are right with one benefit of going through a surgical technologist program is learning how to scrub. After that when you get a RN position you can focus more on learning the circulator role. I hope you do not find yourself in this situation and can get into a RN OR position that offers a good training program. I am with you by wanting to hear what the experienced OR nurses think about it. I hope that my situation is a help to you

SandraCVRN · Mar 6, 2011

I work in the OR and would love to be able to take the scrub tech classes. I think it could only help if you truly want to work in the OR. While doing clinicals you would meet the people you need to know to get an OR position as an RN. Most OR love a nurse that can scrub...so it may be taking the long way around but it sounds like a good plan to me.

To Help and Learn · Mar 7, 2011

Thank you SandraCVRN for your supportive words and replying to my original post. Best of luck to you in your nursing career.

canesdukegirl, BSN, RN · Mar 7, 2011

OP, first of all, let me take this opportunity to say how much I admire you for posting such a heartwrenching experience. It is never easy to share something as personal and as difficult as what you have experienced. Unfortunately, there are still unfair judgments that are made in our society that do not recognize the importance of mental health in our profession. My hope is that you have recovered and that you are putting on your suit of armor once again!

Secondly, I wonder if there are not OR internships near you? Most university hospitals have new grad internships where you will receive on the job, intensive training for the OR. These programs are GOLDEN and teach you far more than you can imagine. If you find that doing a simple "look-see" in the hospital website does not garner you any results, I would encourage you to call the nurse recruitment office and ask specifically for a nurse residency program for the OR. You would be surprised at how many there really are.

Although I think that your back up plan sounds reasonable, I fear that having school and a job might be too much for you to shoulder right now. See if you can get somewhere by finding a nurse resident program. If there are not any in your area, ask the nurse recruiter his/her opinion on how to get your foot in the door. They have lots of information and most of the time they are willing to help you.

I hope that you are healing and I am glad to see that you are actively trying to get back on the bicycle. I wish only the best for you, friend.

daVinciNurse · Mar 7, 2011

I have searched for RN OR training programs and it seems they were popular about three years ago but are no longer available in my area. I saw through my searches that Canada had some programs given through their community colleges. There are some RN OR training programs still offered in California, Florida, Arizona, Texas, but none that I have found yet that are close by the Northern NJ area.

Check with the Saint Barnabas system, I know they used to offer training for the OR, as in a full time paid orientation/training provided you signed a contract to stay a certain number of yrs after completing the orientation. You probably won't find the info online, would do best to try and contact the perioperative educators in the individual facilities. Also consider joining AORN (http://www.aorn.org) so you can network within the local chapter by you...sometimes a contact there can tell you who to call/send an email to/etc.

To Help and Learn · Mar 9, 2011

Thank you canesdukegirl for replying to my post and saying that you admire me for posting my experience. You were right by saying that it was not easy for me to share my experience, but by you helping me out I hope this post also serves as help to those who will read it now and in the future who find themselves in a situation similar to mine.

Referring to your comment “Unfortunately, there are still unfair judgments that are made in our society that do not recognize the importance of mental health in our profession” this is a fine line I must walk when applying for employment. I think that I cannot be totally truthful when I am asked by an interviewer why I left my last position. Can you imagine what my chances would be of getting the job if I answered that I left my last position because I had a nervous breakdown? I am angered that I cannot disclose this fact because I think there is still a stigma attached to mental illness and this is why I am trying to be as anonymous as I can with this post. The only employer I can disclose my mental illness with would be my former because they are all ready aware of the situation. I am trying to get something going with my contacts there but nothing as of yet has materialized.

I have battled mental illness in the past and come out victorious and expect to be victorious once again thanks to all that are helping me including you. I believe that one day the public will be more accepting of mental illness and the stigma that it carries will slowly disappear. Until that day comes I need to be careful how I deal with it in the public. On a positive note this experience has strengthened me, my Faith, and my relationship with my wife.

The one interview I did get was for a OR internship but was told there were many candidates that applied and unfortunately I was not chosen for the position. I tried to contact the Nurse Manager for the OR whom I interviewed with several times for advice about starting a career in the perioperative field but never heard back from her.

Awhile back I applied to NYU Hospital for Joint Diseases Staff Registered Nurse - OR Trainee program. After applying I wrote and called them but never heard back. I also applied to University Medical Center at Princeton’s RN OR Training program. I followed up with them too after applying but never heard back. I guess what I am getting at is there are some OR internships out there but without experience or contacts I am finding it very hard to even get a toe in the door.

I appreciate your concern when you say “I fear that having school and a job might be too much for you to shoulder right now” but think if I had to go with my back up plan I could handle it. I would do this by drawing on the strength of knowing I made it through four years of nursing school while holding down a part-time job throughout and now I am in a better place then I was at the end of December 2009.

Ideally I would rather not have to go back to school and rather find a nurse resident program. I will keep trying to reach out to nurse recruiters and others for their opinion on how to get my foot in the door. I will not be discouraged if I do not hear back from them and continue with my pursuit to get on the right path to a rewarding career in perioperative nursing.

Your words have helped me to heal a little more and I also wish only the best for you, friend.

To Help and Learn · Mar 9, 2011

Thank you daVinciNurse for replying to my post. Now that I reread what you quoted of what I wrote I must make a clarification. Instead of saying that I have yet to find RN OR training programs that are close by the Northern NJ area it should have been said like this, I have yet to find a Perioperative Nursing Program you pay for by the Northern NJ area.

I saw examples of programs like these being offered at community colleges. The purpose of the program was to train and prepare a RN to practice independently at a beginning level in the perioperative setting. It is a program you sign up for which teaches a RN the basics and you pay for it out of your pocket. Sorry for the mix up.

You are right about Saint Barnabas. I saw on their website where they say “SBHCS challenges you to accept a career in perioperative nursing and work side by side with renowned surgeons. Whether you are an experienced registered nurse who has always wondered what OR nursing could offer or a new graduate that is ready to commit to a lifetime of learning, the opportunities are awaiting you. SBHCS offers an Operating Room Training Program that teaches you to function in the operating room as both a Scrub and Circulating Nurse”. After I applied to a position for RN OR at SBHCS where it said experience preferred I followed up with a letter. In that letter I printed out the web page with the previous quoted saying and highlighted it but never heard back from them.

I will try contacting the individual perioperative educators in the individual facilities. Besides getting basic info from the perioperative educators can you think of anything I could say to them to help with my chances?

I was seriously thinking of joining AORN to help with advice and networking. I see for a standard membership it is $125.00. If I do it I will see it as an investment in my future and know that it is a step in the right direction.

Thank you again and I send you my best for your helpful support.

mrsilly · Mar 15, 2011

I would apply to other hospitals even if they don't advertise OR residency programs. There are so many hospitals in the NYC, just keep trying. You mentioned Princeton. Do you live in Jersey? Just curious. I'm originally from NY but live in NC now. All I can say is don't give up. Also, like you, I've had some mental health issues so I do understand what you're going through. Just know that the OR can be stressful. Some days can be very hard and emotions can be difficult to control.