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From my experience I can only speak from a student’s viewpoint. I remember when I was a student and we would get to leave the floor aspect of nursing for a day or two to check out other specialities. Well, I picked the OR for my day away from the floor and I watched a patient go through all the perioperative phases. I can only speak from my experience and say that my clinical instructor was responsible for seven of us and we were all over the hospital. The clinical instructor could not be with all of us at the same time, so on the day I was in the OR I was introduced by the instructor to the staff and was told to follow the patient. From there on I was basically without a clinical instructor. It is funny now but I remember my biggest responsibility was not getting close to anything that was sterile. I watched and took in all I could. I would wait to be spoken to, then I knew it was safe to ask a question. I think you handled the situation fine. If anything next time let the student know what you told us in the original post about getting to your “comfort level”. Also let the student know that with OR nursing things do not always go as planned, but you will do your best to give them a good overall picture of how things are done in the OR. Do not be so hard on yourself. I am sure you gave the student a good experience even though you were not expecting them. If you have a good relationship with the nurse educator let them know that next time you would like to be asked, not in front of the student if it would be fine that you have a student that day. This way you would not be put in a bad spot and if you are in your “comfort level” then it would be a better experience for all involved. If you still feel badly about it then maybe contact the student and let them know what you are telling us now.

I hope that the OP Canadian eh? figured out which field to go into. For those that are still on the fence the reason I chose to go into nursing was I like to help people and the study of medicine intrigues me. Good luck to all in finding out what to do with one's life and make sure you research something thoroughly before going into it.

Hello redraider1977 I looked and did not see if you got a job offer or not. Congratulations on getting an interview. Well, I hope everything worked out and that you did get the job.

Congratulations ALORNurse on getting the job! I hope that you are doing well. Thank you for you gave some good advice throughout the thread to new RN graduates looking to get into the OR. Wishing you nothing but the best in your career and in life!

Congratulations canesdukegirl on passing your CNOR exam! I am happy and proud for you. From what I see you help out so many (including me) on this site that it is nice to see good news for you. You earned this and I hope you had a big party to celebrate!

Thank you LAM2010 for responding to my post. It looks like as a new RN grad you got a job in the OR right away so I will use that as hope for me as well. Congratulations on getting a position and using your networking skills plus attitude to do so. I appreciate all your comments about how your days are working in the OR. I value all perspectives I can get about how the OR operates which further validates that I am going in the right direction with my career goals. In my comment to mrsilly I write about the stress of OR nursing versus floor nursing and your comments seem to reinforce what I have said which is nice. I agree with if you understand yourself well then you can deal better with people in general. This also helps when you are dealing with difficult personalities. Thank you for ALL your valuable input. From your attitude that is carried through your words I can see why the OR director hired you and I wish you nothing but the best!

Thank you mrsilly for responding to my post and sharing that you understand where I am coming from, being that you had to go through some mental health issues yourself. As long as we get through our issues the experience makes us stronger and better able to help those who find themselves in similar situations. I have my eyes all over NYC hospitals and got one call back from New York-Presbyterian/Weill Cornell Medical Center for a spot in their OR as a RN but nothing ever came of it. I will keep trying as you mentioned. I am not giving up anytime soon and thanks to help from people like you it keeps that spark alive. My mother and boyfriend have property down on the border of NC and SC. I think it is by Little River, SC. From what I heard the money is good for nursing down there and the expense of living is less than up North. I understand the OR can be stressful but feel it is a different kind of stress then what you find as a floor nurse. I give lots of credit to those that do floor nursing. My hat goes off to all of you for all your hard work. I think I can handle the stress better in a OR setting versus a floor setting and this is one of the reasons I want to pursue OR nursing. I agree with you on joining AORN and placing it on my resume. It seems like a great organization and joining it can only help. Thanks again for your input and I wish you the best in life and in your career.

Thank you daVinciNurse for replying to my post. Now that I reread what you quoted of what I wrote I must make a clarification. Instead of saying that I have yet to find RN OR training programs that are close by the Northern NJ area it should have been said like this, I have yet to find a Perioperative Nursing Program you pay for by the Northern NJ area. I saw examples of programs like these being offered at community colleges. The purpose of the program was to train and prepare a RN to practice independently at a beginning level in the perioperative setting. It is a program you sign up for which teaches a RN the basics and you pay for it out of your pocket. Sorry for the mix up. You are right about Saint Barnabas. I saw on their website where they say “SBHCS challenges you to accept a career in perioperative nursing and work side by side with renowned surgeons. Whether you are an experienced registered nurse who has always wondered what OR nursing could offer or a new graduate that is ready to commit to a lifetime of learning, the opportunities are awaiting you. SBHCS offers an Operating Room Training Program that teaches you to function in the operating room as both a Scrub and Circulating Nurse”. After I applied to a position for RN OR at SBHCS where it said experience preferred I followed up with a letter. In that letter I printed out the web page with the previous quoted saying and highlighted it but never heard back from them. I will try contacting the individual perioperative educators in the individual facilities. Besides getting basic info from the perioperative educators can you think of anything I could say to them to help with my chances? I was seriously thinking of joining AORN to help with advice and networking. I see for a standard membership it is $125.00. If I do it I will see it as an investment in my future and know that it is a step in the right direction. Thank you again and I send you my best for your helpful support.

Thank you canesdukegirl for replying to my post and saying that you admire me for posting my experience. You were right by saying that it was not easy for me to share my experience, but by you helping me out I hope this post also serves as help to those who will read it now and in the future who find themselves in a situation similar to mine. Referring to your comment “Unfortunately, there are still unfair judgments that are made in our society that do not recognize the importance of mental health in our profession” this is a fine line I must walk when applying for employment. I think that I cannot be totally truthful when I am asked by an interviewer why I left my last position. Can you imagine what my chances would be of getting the job if I answered that I left my last position because I had a nervous breakdown? I am angered that I cannot disclose this fact because I think there is still a stigma attached to mental illness and this is why I am trying to be as anonymous as I can with this post. The only employer I can disclose my mental illness with would be my former because they are all ready aware of the situation. I am trying to get something going with my contacts there but nothing as of yet has materialized. I have battled mental illness in the past and come out victorious and expect to be victorious once again thanks to all that are helping me including you. I believe that one day the public will be more accepting of mental illness and the stigma that it carries will slowly disappear. Until that day comes I need to be careful how I deal with it in the public. On a positive note this experience has strengthened me, my Faith, and my relationship with my wife. The one interview I did get was for a OR internship but was told there were many candidates that applied and unfortunately I was not chosen for the position. I tried to contact the Nurse Manager for the OR whom I interviewed with several times for advice about starting a career in the perioperative field but never heard back from her. Awhile back I applied to NYU Hospital for Joint Diseases Staff Registered Nurse - OR Trainee program. After applying I wrote and called them but never heard back. I also applied to University Medical Center at Princeton’s RN OR Training program. I followed up with them too after applying but never heard back. I guess what I am getting at is there are some OR internships out there but without experience or contacts I am finding it very hard to even get a toe in the door. I appreciate your concern when you say “I fear that having school and a job might be too much for you to shoulder right now” but think if I had to go with my back up plan I could handle it. I would do this by drawing on the strength of knowing I made it through four years of nursing school while holding down a part-time job throughout and now I am in a better place then I was at the end of December 2009. Ideally I would rather not have to go back to school and rather find a nurse resident program. I will keep trying to reach out to nurse recruiters and others for their opinion on how to get my foot in the door. I will not be discouraged if I do not hear back from them and continue with my pursuit to get on the right path to a rewarding career in perioperative nursing. Your words have helped me to heal a little more and I also wish only the best for you, friend.

Thank you SandraCVRN for your supportive words and replying to my original post. Best of luck to you in your nursing career.

Thank you CNM2B201? for posting a reply. Good luck to you on obtaining your RN and getting into the OR if you think this is the speciality you want to get into. You are already making smart decisions by joining this site. You are right with one benefit of going through a surgical technologist program is learning how to scrub. After that when you get a RN position you can focus more on learning the circulator role. I hope you do not find yourself in this situation and can get into a RN OR position that offers a good training program. I am with you by wanting to hear what the experienced OR nurses think about it. I hope that my situation is a help to you

Thank you ruralgirl08 for being the first to post a reply. A neighbor from the north I see. Moving is not an option for me but I did get my NY nursing license on top of my NJ nursing license to increase the opportunities that are available to me. In my searches for employment I come across very little casual RN positions. I agree with you that if I got a job as a casual RN it would be good for references and help support the resume. From my experiences since I am still considered a new graduate those positions that are for part-time are open only for experienced RNs. I have searched for RN OR training programs and it seems they were popular about three years ago but are no longer available in my area. I saw through my searches that Canada had some programs given through their community colleges. There are some RN OR training programs still offered in California, Florida, Arizona, Texas, but none that I have found yet that are close by the Northern NJ area. Thanks for the heads up about the learning curve for the OR and what type of environment to be prepared for. I am aware that there is a lot of strong personalities in the OR and you need to be assertive and not take things personally. I have been told that with all that is going on in the OR you need to keep in mind what the main focus is which is the patient. I am doing my best to take care of myself. Thanks for your concern. I do not ever want to find myself in the position I was in back in December of 2009, so this is why I am taking well thought out steps to a career that I think would be a good fit. You said "I don't know how to help, other then offer support to you" well, let me tell you something, your support is a lot of help and both my wife and I appreciate it. I see that you are a OR hopeful so I wish you the best in making that a reality. Let me know if you want me to give you the info I found on the schools in Canada offering certificates in Perioperative Nursing. Good luck to you as well.

I just signed up for this wonderful site and think it is awesome that as a community we can be there for one another. I promise that I will "pay it forward" by helping those that ask for it of me now and in the future in any way I can, but now to all you that are reading this I need your help in any way that you can give it. I will try to keep this as short as possible for I know you are not here to read about my life story. Even though this is anonymous it is still hard for me to write about. I graduated nursing school in 2009 and got my first job as a RN on a med/surg floor in July of that year. I was struggling with adjusting to work and saw a psychiatrist and counselor at the time. The psychiatrist was adjusting my medications throughout and I would have to take clonazepam 0.5mg at the beginning of my shift to help me cope. At the end of December 2009 I suffered a nervous breakdown and have not worked since. I was out on temporary disability for six months and am now on unemployment. Last year was very hard for both my wife and I. We hope that 2011 will be a better year and I can see that happening with your help. I want to get back in nursing but I am trying to do everything in my power not to go back to a med/surg floor for it does not fit my strengths or personality. So I looked at every type of nursing out there before I gave up on the profession for good and saw that perioperative nursing would be a good fit for me. I have over a year and a half of experience with med/surg nursing for I also worked on a med/surg floor as a nursing assistant for a year. I saw enough to know that it is not the type of nursing that fits me. I can give many reasons why med/surg is not a good fit but will spare you in interest of your valuable time. I think perioperative nursing would be a good fit for the reasons of I love working on a team, am very detail oriented, like to see tasks carried to completion, the environment allows you to give more attention to your patient, etc. I do not mind the stress of an emergency situation for I worked in the ER as a tech for a year before I became a RN. After I left my previous position due to my nervous breakdown I tried applying for various RN OR staff positions but never heard anything back. I was blessed to get an interview for a OR RN staff position that included training back in July 2010 but did not get it due to lack of experience. It seems that all employers that have open RN OR positions are only looking for candidates with experience. I seriously considered going back to a med/surg position as a RN to get to the position of RN OR but honestly do not think I have it in me. Instead of going back to work as a med/surg RN I applied to a program (it looks promising that I will get in but I will find out for sure in about a month) to get trained as a surgical technologist. I thought what better way to learn a profession then from the ground up. I am running into problems for school starts in September 2011 and I need a job to get me through until the program is over. I am trying to stay in healthcare and applied for unlicensed assistive personnel (UAP) positions such as perioperative associate to give me experience and broaden my network. I know this is a gray area and since I am licensed as a RN I should not work below my license, but I have heard that some places let you. I have contacted my state board of nursing for clarity on this issue and am awaiting their response. So it comes down to trying to break into the perioperative field in a way that I can handle. As you can see I am willing to make sacrifices to get to a career that I have researched and think would be a good fit for me. I do not like being out of work and want so much to start to help people again in a way that my strengths will be most beneficial to them. Will you now please help both my wife and I in any way you can so we can get this gorilla off our backs. Sorry this was so long and thank you for reading. If it helps you I am from Northern NJ. Any questions you may have for me feel free to send them my way and I will do my best to answer them as quickly as I can. Many blessings to those who give their time to help those who need it. P.S. I have reached out for help from others and they either do not respond or worse yet say they will help and never follow through. I will pray that the people on this site are different.