help! Are surgical techs and RNs the same?? - page 4

I am an operating room nurse at a rather large hospital. This facility has made it so that the Surgical techs and the RNs are pretty much equal. Therefore i am often talked to with disrespect and... Read More

  1. by   FST66E
    Nurses scrub at my hospital also.
    In fact we don't hire nurses who can't scrub.
    I have worked at hospitals where the administration has convinced themselves that they save money by hiring techs to scrub but I think it is a mistake.

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
  2. by   BernadetteRNBSN
    Hey guys and gals, just wanted to get some insight/opinions to the posting and i thank you all for doing just that. I know this is a touchy subject if you are not a nurse. However many of us do scrub and first assist and very much understand the role of the scrub nurse/tech. But when there is some thing to loose like ones license, i guess we nurses become a little guarded. b-

    ps A nursing license can be had by all if you choose to seek it.
  3. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    If they have a business degree. Guess what that takes precidence over your nursing degree. Also experience says a whole lot more than a piece of paper.
    Sorry, but someone in CHARGE of nurses SHOULD HAVE BEEN A NURSE at some point in their life.

    Putting a non-nurse in as a nursing manager would be like putting a lifelong vegetable farmer in charge of an orchard.
  4. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Moderator Note:

    Folks, this is another subject (like BSN versus ADN or LPN versus RN)---- that can get heated up quickly. I ask you kindly keep posts friendly, thinking carefully BEFORE you hit the "post" button and also, please leave generalizations out your posts. Surgical techs are an invaluable part of the OR team, to be sure. No need for us to get territorial or rude in our posts.

    One other thing: If you find a post rude or attacking, please abide by Terms of Service and do NOT reply in kind; do report the offending post by clicking the Red Triangle, at the bottom left of each post and report it. Let the moderation/administration have a chance to handle things so it does not get out of hand. If you wish to take arguments by Private Message, that is ok, but again do remember Terms of Service regarding flaming and attacks STILL apply there.

    Thanks for understanding!!!!

    Can this Mod Note be posted as a sticky on the PeriOp forum??????
  5. by   Corvette Guy
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    Originally Posted by SmilingBluEyes
    Moderator Note:

    Folks, this is another subject (like BSN versus ADN or LPN versus RN)---- that can get heated up quickly. I ask you kindly keep posts friendly, thinking carefully BEFORE you hit the "post" button and also, please leave generalizations out your posts. Surgical techs are an invaluable part of the OR team, to be sure. No need for us to get territorial or rude in our posts.

    One other thing: If you find a post rude or attacking, please abide by Terms of Service and do NOT reply in kind; do report the offending post by clicking the Red Triangle, at the bottom left of each post and report it. Let the moderation/administration have a chance to handle things so it does not get out of hand. If you wish to take arguments by Private Message, that is ok, but again do remember Terms of Service regarding flaming and attacks STILL apply there.

    Thanks for understanding!!!!


    Can this Mod Note be posted as a sticky on the PeriOp forum??????
    Excellent request, IMHO!
  6. by   Corvette Guy
    Quote from BernadetteRNBSN
    Hey guys and gals, just wanted to get some insight/opinions to the posting and i thank you all for doing just that. I know this is a touchy subject if you are not a nurse. However many of us do scrub and first assist and very much understand the role of the scrub nurse/tech. But when there is some thing to loose like ones license, i guess we nurses become a little guarded. b-

    ps A nursing license can be had by all if you choose to seek it.
  7. by   gr8nurse
    Goodness gracious NO! They are not the same! Where I live surg tech is a 1 year diploma course and to get your RN you have to at least obtain a 2 year Associate's degree. That's like comparing apples and oranges. It does no good for the moral of the workplace for anyone to talk down to anyone, maybe you should ask this individual if it's intentional or go through your chain of command to file a complaint - of course that could ruffle feathers. Probably best to speak with this person on a one to one basis and try not to seem like it's a power trip. You know how sensitive some can be. Or you can just let it go and know that no matter what, if the patient is fine, then all is well in the world!
  8. by   gr8nurse
    Quote from spyder
    I really want to chew up a lot of people's opinions on this board...... Scrubs running a surgery center.
    If they have a business degree. Guess what that takes precidence over your nursing degree. Also experience says a whole lot more than a piece of paper. I've worked in many situations where a procedure isn't going so well, and a doc. has asked my opinion on any techinical ideas that might work. Many times they have used my ideas, and guess what they have worked. I didn't demand they do it my way. They just asked for a suggestion and gave it a shot. They asked me cause this is my job and what I have experience in.

    Life is all in how you live it. If you demand respect from people, you won't get it. If you show respect towards others, and treat them like intelligent human beings, then you will get it back. Maybe not from everyone, but the majority of people. Regardless of what you think you are not better than anyone else, but remember no one else is better than you either.


    To "chew up" your reply: A business degree and a nursing degree are just that....two different degrees. Neither one takes precidence over the other. But let me just say--if I were the patient, I'd like to know that the "nurse" taking care of me was just that....a NURSE! Not someone with a business degree trying their hand at nursing. If you had to have a triple-bypass or a cardiac cath would you want a cardiologist or a gynecologist? Putting it that way-- heck, if I were in that situation I'd be sure to check credentials at the door. I wouldn't want a nurse doing surgery. It's all about your scope of practice, state laws and admin. No need to say one degree is better than another....they're just different!
  9. by   spyder
    Quote from gr8nurse
    To "chew up" your reply: A business degree and a nursing degree are just that....two different degrees. Neither one takes precidence over the other. But let me just say--if I were the patient, I'd like to know that the "nurse" taking care of me was just that....a NURSE! Not someone with a business degree trying their hand at nursing. If you had to have a triple-bypass or a cardiac cath would you want a cardiologist or a gynecologist? Putting it that way-- heck, if I were in that situation I'd be sure to check credentials at the door. I wouldn't want a nurse doing surgery. It's all about your scope of practice, state laws and admin. No need to say one degree is better than another....they're just different!
    Ok lets try this again in a nice way. You are the third person to respond to what I said. Please reread what I have stated. I did not say that it is ok for a scrub to be a nurse, or a charge nurse, or a perioperative manager. I have not once said that. I am not talking about a hospital either. I am talking about a scrub being the general manager of a surgery center. Please and I am asking in a nice way so I don't come off looking like a jerk. Please reread all of my threads on this particular subject.
  10. by   SFCardiacRN
    A general manager may have been a scrub at one point but by definition they are now a general manager. Just because a CEO started off in the mail room doesn't mean the company is being run by a clerk. To get back on point, sometimes animosity exists between Rn's & Techs. This is a real problem that needs to be addressed. Some Rn's are upset that they no longer get to scrub and some techs act like passing instruments takes more skill than running a case. Both have forgotten the team approach and both need to put the patients needs over petty squabbles. (former tech, current RN)
  11. by   sunnyjohn
    *sigh*
  12. by   jacrn2
    No...RN's and Surgical Tech's are not the same...you're right to be upset.

    Pam RN wrote:
    "Where I work our supervisor is a tech and is good at the job, respects everyone and gives us nurses our due. I think the company that owns the centers is making a habit of hiring techs for managerial roles because "they're cheaper" as one person put it. That then, disturbs me. I feel that some techs really think our job is a piece of cake and if one is good at their job they can make it look easy. But, as we all know there are so many responsibilites that the techs are void of so then it gives them a sense of confidence without the consequenses."I can't believe they're hiring techs as managers? As the RN you should be giving direction to those under you...not taking direction from them. This is ridiculous. I realize they may be able to pay them less, but they can't give a nurse direction. RN or LPN/LVN. Crazy. I don't think I could work for a place that did this. I can give credit where credit is due and I show the tech's I work with mutual respect. They have a great deal of surgical knowledge. But they do not have a great deal of Nursing knowledge. They don't know the rationals for some of the things we do. However, tech's can make or break you in the OR. It is a pleasure to work with a good tech who knows what they're doing and has everything they need...get them mad and you could be running all day. Sad but true. Thus proving the point...the RN needs to be (and is legally) responsible for everything in the room...supplies, equipment...the Tech, overall patient care & safety. So, them telling me what to do? I don't think so.
  13. by   grimmy
    Quote from nubes
    i am a rn or in great britain, hoping some day to get to the states to work. however here in britain, the rns scrub and circulate. the responsibility of counts and sharps falls equally on the count nurse and the scrub nurse.

    scrubbing for me is the absolute favorite part of my job, so will i not be able to scrub in the states? ....
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    i'm an rn in the us, and this weekend i have done nothing but scrub! i like it very much, aside from the fact that i'm not terribly well acquainted with neuro, and i was fumbling on that particular case. i'm usually doing thoracic or vascular cases. a lot depends upon the facility in which you will work. all of the nurses where i work must be able to scrub, and i can say that i scrub at least 2-3 days in a typical week. we have a fair amount of travel nurses, and some do not scrub all that much. the surgeons like to have a team member scrub, so that means me. i think if you speak up about your preference, you can get yourself out behind the mayo fairly often.

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