spyder

My music marketing degree is actually a business degree, but thats irrelevant. There is a lot of back story and missing info that I didn't include. If I had refused to go on duty. I would have been fired. I'm sure you say thats wrong, and yes I know its wrong. Its just the OR Manager was a charachter *for lack of a more appropriate word*. That OR manager did finally get fired for all the crap they have pulled. I might have misinterpreted your thoughts on the money. My leaving honestly had more to do with my personal life. I was just upset that after busting my ass. I got crap for a raise. I was just using what more money I am making now as a basis for feeling appreciated.

try hooking the insufflation up to a different trocar. everone always hooks it up to the trocar the camera goes in. I hook it up to a different trocar and have less problems

I have experienced something similar to you. So before I tell you my experience. I will inform you of my background. I am currently the ethics and compliance officer for my company. I have been scrubbing for 4 years. I went to college when I finished high school. I have a double degree in computer programming and music marketing. After college I decided I wanted to go to scrub school instead of getting an office job. I chose scrubbing for a couple of reasons. The first and foremost reason was simply I didn't want to spend another 4 years in college getting a nursing degree. Or spend 8 years getting my MD. It had nothing to do with me not being able to do it. Anyone can become a nurse or doctor. Its all in how you choose to apply yourself. Or choosing to give up something else in order to spend the extra time in college. About a year after I finished my clinicals. I decided to take the overnigh shift at my trauma center. It was great for me. I had 4 days off in the middle of the week. Then worked the weekends overnight. The biggest problem I had was that the charge nurse would always call in sick. So this meant that many nights I had no one in the OR with me. Simply due to the fact that their just wasn't anyone. They did try to put someone in the sleep room, but that seldomly worked out. So I had to make the calls. *Now before anyone chimes in about how this is wrong. I had no choice in the matter. Their was no one their, and no one would come in. Period* I didn't really care. Most of the time the charge nurse would ask me what to do anyway. So I was used to having to make the calls. Even on nights when there was someone there til 11. They would always hand me the phones and have me take charge over everything. Even the trauma docs would depend on me over everyone else. It felt good to be appreciated, but something about it wasn't right to me. So after talking to some coworkers they suggested that I put charge time down on my time sheet. So I thought hey why not. Well I got pulled into the office and told that I couldn't put that down on my time sheet. I asked why not? I was the one who was left to make all the calls. The answer I got was that the charge is in the sleep room. I said. Ok, thats fine, but what about the times when there hasn't been a charge in the sleep room. I didn't get an answer out of that question. So I blew it off. I thought fine then. I know I am working hard and the docs appreciate what I have done. I did get screwed a lot at this point. When I first went on the shift. I didn't get the same differential that RN's or some of the others scrubs were getting. So I wrote a note to my boss explaining the legal obligations that she has to pay me the same as everyone else is getting. That did work out to my benefit. When review time came around I got a 2.5% raise. Which felt like an insult. I had busted my ass trying to keep things in order at that facility. To make a long story short I took another job with about a 6 dollar raise, and since then I have taken about another 3 dollars in raises since then. The hardest thing about leaving your facility is leaving your friends. Everytime I go back there and work people ask me to come back. I simply tell them I would love to work with them again, but I can't deal with the way the place is managed. It is better that I am not an employee for that particular facility. As much as it might suck to leave your friends, maybe its time you do whats in your best interest.

I had a good friend in college who was missing the lower part of his leg. He talked about the phantom feelings. He would talk about how his foot would itch at times.

I would like to say thank you to those of you who ask the person scrubbed in to count when its conveniant for them. Atleast during the case. The first thing I always count when we are closing is lap sponges and raytecs. When the doc brings them out of the patient. I tell the nurse. Hey I'm ready to count. I also keep the laps with me until we get through the first count. It is easier for me to pull the laps apart than to have a nurse don some gloves or use a sponge stick at that point. Most of the time I am done with the lap count before they have started the first run of the suture. I try to do it as quickly as possible that way if something is left in. Then we don't have to open the patient back up. As for the rules on counting in the U.S. The count is done by either two R.N.'s (one being scrubbed in of course) or a R.N. and a scrub tech. Now the cool thing about that is. When I worked trauma there was a lot of times where we would do an urgent case, and the circulator would be busy with the patient. So I would count with the R.N. who was scrubbed in. It is still legit cause the count was initiated between a tech and an R.N. When it came to the charting I would just tell the circulater when she came in. Hey here is our count. If you want me to count when you guys are finishing up just page me. As for relieving someone. I understand it needs to be done. If someone's shift is ending you can't expect them to stay, but it really sucks when you walk in to take over and the count is wrong before they leave the room. Then they refuse to stay and help find the missing needles.

Ok lets try this again in a nice way. You are the third person to respond to what I said. Please reread what I have stated. I did not say that it is ok for a scrub to be a nurse, or a charge nurse, or a perioperative manager. I have not once said that. I am not talking about a hospital either. I am talking about a scrub being the general manager of a surgery center. Please and I am asking in a nice way so I don't come off looking like a jerk. Please reread all of my threads on this particular subject.

no it doesn't make it acceptable. i was just asking. thinking maybe he got the point when you brought it up to him about his swearing. I guess maybe everytime he swears at you. You could do the same thing. hopefully at some point he will get the idea that you don't want to hear it. its a peaceful way to get your point across.

Perhaps were just not understanding each other. I am not talking about someone running the OR suite, nor am I talking about someone running the entire operative unit. I have not once mentioned that. I am talking about someone running the entire stand alone surgery center. You know the "Big Boss". Now maybe I misinterpreted the persons thread who commented on a scrub running a surgery center, but I took it as the person in charge over everything. In that scenerio I am correct in my statement. As for my rudeness. It would be a good idea to go back and read your own thread. Yes I did take it personal when you decided to bold me saying: Yes, I am a scrub. I've had way too many Nurses treat me like I'm an ignorant piece of crap, because I'm not a nurse. I will not put up with that from anyone. I know my job, I know how procedures go. If I have a question about something I will ask someone, but to treat someone like they don't know their head from a hole in the ground is very demeaning. I work agency. I am the ethics and compliance coordinator for my company. So yes I know all the rules of the O.R. Its my job. In many facilities I go to. Nurses more so than doctors treat me like crap. They treat me as if I am below scum. Not all nurses treat me this way. Yes there are a fair amount that do, and I will not put up with this. No I'm not going to do your job, or tell you how to do your job. For one its your job, do it yourself, but also let me do my job and treat me with the same respect you treat anyone else with. So yes when you do something such as pointing out that I am a scrub. Guess what? I am going to comeback with some sort of retort. So if you have anything else to say about my attitude, then be respectful enough to private message me. I'm not going to have a personal argument with anyone who posts here on the message board. If you have something to say about what I have stated in concerns to the whole scrub/RN thing feel free to post it.

did he continue swearing at you after you brought it to his attention?

If you could read. I was replying to someone who stated earlier that there was a scrub running their surgery center. Also if you actually read what I said. It was a scrub running a surgery center. Not a scrub managing an OR suite, or being the perioperative director. The charge nurse at a surger center is not the person running it. It does not require a BSN or a MSN to run a surgery center. It does require those things to be a charge nurse. Also OR suites must obide by JCAHO standards. Not AORN standards. Yes they are pretty much the same thing, but still its JCAHO standards that hospitals run by. AORN cannot shut a facility down. So I'm sorry to tell you this but your wrong, but hey what do I know I'm just a scrub as you so boldly pointed out. :)

I really want to chew up a lot of people's opinions on this board. Although I do understand that we all have the right to bear our own opinions. I also understand that people get angry at work, and they come here to vent. So there is no point in saying someone is wrong, but I will use a few examples of what I have read here to get my point across. Yes I am a scrub. Now before you make any assumption on me. I will let you know that I went to college for 4 years and got my degrees in music marketing and computer programming. I chose to continue my education after I graduated because I didn't want to spend the rest of my life doing something I didn't have my heart set into. Ethically speaking. The hospitals have to treat RN's and Scrubs the same. Otherwise they could find themselves in a discrimination law suit. No it doesn't mean that a scrub has the same job description as a RN, but it does mean that they have to be treated with equal respect. It is the law. Respect? Oh what a great time this is going to be. Lets get straight to the facts here. While your particular situation might involve someone acting like an ass. It could be cause they are tired of people treating them poorly. I've read many posts on this board, and in all honesty many of your attitudes disgust me. People complain about how they feel they are being treated. Maybe there is something you have done to that person. If there isn't anything you have done. Then talk to them. Gussy up some balls and take it up with them. I don't care who they are. Scrub, Dr., Housekeeping, etc. Also maybe try showing them some respect too. Maybe they are having a hard time at work, because they feel like everyone is stepping on them. As for the way people act. Some people are just rude. It sucks, but what are you going to do about it. Nothing? Or maybe try an alternate route. Tell your boss that you would prefer not to work with that person. Maybe tell the person. "Hey your acting like an ass and I am getting sick and tired of it." Better yet really look into the situation from both sides, and try to figure out why this person is acting this way towards you. Here is an example. When I was working for a hospital. I would work with this RN who was awful. She was very slow, not just moving, but mentally she didn't seem to be able to comprehend what I needed from her. While at first I could deal with it. Overtime I would just pissed and snap at her. I even had Drs. trying to help me calm down. I just couldn't work with this person. I really did try to work with her. It was just after awhile I lost my patience for the person, because I knew how things were going to be in the case. Finally one day I sat and thought about it. I realised that her natural language was a foriegn language and that she must have to translate stuff in her head. So I just let it go from there. So the best thing you can do is maybe look at it from there stand point and see if that helps things. If they are still and ass, then it doesn't matter what they do they will always be an ass. Scrubs running a surgery center. If they have a business degree. Guess what that takes precidence over your nursing degree. Also experience says a whole lot more than a piece of paper. I've worked in many situations where a procedure isn't going so well, and a doc. has asked my opinion on any techinical ideas that might work. Many times they have used my ideas, and guess what they have worked. I didn't demand they do it my way. They just asked for a suggestion and gave it a shot. They asked me cause this is my job and what I have experience in. Life is all in how you live it. If you demand respect from people, you won't get it. If you show respect towards others, and treat them like intelligent human beings, then you will get it back. Maybe not from everyone, but the majority of people. Regardless of what you think you are not better than anyone else, but remember no one else is better than you either.

I've never had anyone throw any instruments at me. For what ever reason the jerk docs all seem to like me. I don't know if its because I am a guy or if its because I shave my head, have earrings and tattoos. Or if its because we jerks seem to attract our own. :rotfl: Anyhow I did use to work with this real piece of work who had some scrub threaten him. So instead of changing his attitude the doc hired a body guard. I think that is a pretty sad way for someone to live. I also heard about some instance where a dif. doc got so mad that he took the harmonic scalpal and activated on the female scrub in the cases breast. The sad part is just sat there and took it. I gotta be honest if someone degrades me. I will quickly correct them. One thing that comes to mind is I had a doc flat out call me a liar over there preference card. So instead of accepting it. I just asked the nurse to grab the pref. card and read it off to the doc. I just don't put up with anyones crap. Which is why I try not to treat anyone like crap. It doesn't matter what there title is. Even though being a housekeeper isn't in my job description, I will always help them out when I have a chance to. As for anyone throwing an instrument at me, I would just ask who saw that in the room and then congratulate the doc on their new lawsuit. Or atleast that is what I would like to do. In reality I would probably snap and either throw the instrument back at them, or do something else. There is no place in any work environment for people to act like that.