The Circumcision Discussion - page 89

I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My... Read More

  1. Visit  ~Mi Vida Loca~RN profile page
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    Quote from consult2
    "he just uses water to wash. Not sure why he is anti soap, but he says water works just fine. He has never had any problems with not being cut. To be honest, you can't even really tell."

    Your husband is right, one should never use soap inside the foreskin. This destroys the natural flora and fauna which makes it susceptible to infections and/or balantis.. AND causes keratinization and the subsequent loss of sensation.

    I was meaning he just uses water to wash all of him. In Microbiology they told us to avoid antibacterial soaps but not soaps all together??? But I wasn't talking about specifically the foreskin. He uses just water for his hair to most of the time. LOL I am just happy he showers and brushs and flosses his teeth and wears deodorant and stuff.
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  3. Visit  ~Mi Vida Loca~RN profile page
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    Quote from AirforceRN
    I'm sure most people wouldn't have an answer to that question but to be honest...if you're in a shower room and everyone is naked...you're going to notice anyway. Human nature I suppose.

    My husband spent time in Juvie which offered no privacy at all and you showered with many people all at once. He also went to a HS with large un-private shower areas where they were REQUIRED to shower after PE back when you actually had PE daily.

    He told me he never once had any problems about it. I was thrown back a little with my first B/f that wasn't circed. It's fairly common not to be in his culture, but I noticed it looked odd, I never said anything to him about it and I didn't snicker and laugh or think bad of him. I did call my mom though and asked her about it, because I was curious why it looked different.

    From my time in working in Childcare I think not circ'ing is becoming more of a norm from what I could tell which is good and will take less pressure off for those mainly concerned about the vanity issue of it all.
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  4. Visit  ~Mi Vida Loca~RN profile page
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    Quote from Elvish
    Our circ rate in the hospital runs about with the nationwide average, so if your boys are around here, they'll be in good company.

    I'll be teaching my son a few good comebacks just in case he ever does get picked on, though.
    My husband has said if anyone were to say something to him he would just tell them they are just jealous that sex feels better for him since he has more sensation then they would.

    Obviously though a young boy can't be saying this LOL

    Although why would anyone want to brag that they had part of their penis hacked off. LOL
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  5. Visit  consult2 profile page
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    Actually this whole circumcision/HIV nonsense is hardly credible as have been all of the other claims for benefits for circumcision.

    All it takes to reach this conclusion is a little logic and/or common sense:

    IF circumcision reduces any disease, why does the circumcising US have higher rates of ALL of them than does the other intact industrialized countries? How would this be possible?

    Outside of the US no other industrialized countries accepts that circumcision has any beneficial effect.
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  6. Visit  UTVOL3 profile page
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    Quote from Elvish
    I think this is great - we are currently losing at least six figures on circs alone at my hospital.

    Our private docs, I am sure, make money off it, but our hospital surely doesn't.
    Aha. Maybe this is the answer. I just don't see your average Joe Blow physician making big money off circs is all I am saying. I gathered that was kind of the reason they are slowly stopping doing them. The older attendings feel like it is kind of "piddly" and a big time waster. Now I cannot say anything about private practice docs or surgeons.
    I am still just dumbfounded that there are docs going around doing this without any sort of pain control. Yes I can see the argument that it can cause complications but to me that it just a possible complication of having a circ.
    I guess really the thing that gets me is that somewhere, there must be nurses that are assisting with this too. Freaking me out.
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  7. Visit  Balder_LPN profile page
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    Back to the OP's ? "Should we circ our boy or not"

    You may as well ask "Should we raise him as a Greek Orthodox or Roman Catholic?"

    The answers would be no less biased, no more (or less) factual than the question you have asked. everyone has their opinion (belief) and the facts/stats can support either choice. No one will change their mind based on any info anyone else might provide.

    In the end you must decide for yourself.
  8. Visit  consult2 profile page
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    Ok, now I have to ask..WHAT are these FACTS that support circumcision--by facts, I mean those that can be scientifically supported?

    In the end one must decide for THEMSELVES--not make this decision for non-consenting infants.

    If one cannot be swayed by the facts, woe be to them--them are choosing to remain irrational!
  9. Visit  AirforceRN profile page
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    Quote from Balder_LPN
    Back to the OP's ? "Should we circ our boy or not"

    You may as well ask "Should we raise him as a Greek Orthodox or Roman Catholic?"
    The difference is he can choose to abandon his faith for another...can't say the same for a circumcised boy
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  10. Visit  deege58 profile page
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    Quote from AirforceRN
    The difference is he can choose to abandon his faith for another...can't say the same for a circumcised boy
    Thank you!!!
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  11. Visit  Balder_LPN profile page
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    Quote from consult2
    Ok, now I have to ask..WHAT are these FACTS that support circumcision--by facts, I mean those that can be scientifically supported?

    In the end one must decide for THEMSELVES--not make this decision for non-consenting infants.

    If one cannot be swayed by the facts, woe be to them--them are choosing to remain irrational!
    You can find paper after paper of peer reviewed, published, scientific studies that support both. Several have shown a lower incidence of HIV infection in areas of Africa for men who are circumscised.


    Thats why it's a personal choice, and parents make many choices for their children who are not yet competent to make thier own. I am sure glad mine was done as an infant when I don't remember it. I would certainly have wanted it done as a teen (90% of my peers were cut), but would not likely have choosen to go thru the painful procedure.

    BTW I have assisted with a few and the babies get a local (most doctors these days) and they Don't always scream, nor do we feel that we have been Maimed. The first TWO i was present for had no screaming, just a little boy sucking on my gloved finger.

    It surprises me how militant some of these voices seem, and they seem to be almost exclusively women. maybe they can let the men police this almost exclusively male issue. I dont know of any support groups for men who feel they are maimed, or deformed by having been circumscised, nor do I know of any male, personal or professional knowledge, that has any issues with being cut (although I am sure I will hear of several any second now)

  12. Visit  Equinox_93 profile page
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    Sorry, but if I carry someone around in my womb for 9 months and then push or have them cut out of my body and am responsible for raising them for 18 years, you better damnwell believe that I'm going to have a say in what happens to that person, whether they share my gender or not.

    Further- my husband was circ'd, and he was even more adamant than myself that our son NOT be cut.

    Do a google search on foreskin restoration... You'll read several accounts of adult men who do have issues with having been circ'd. You will also find those support groups for men who do feel that they have been maimed and that the choice had been taken from them.

    http://www.norm.org/

    Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it's not out there

    Quote from Balder_LPN

    It surprises me how militant some of these voices seem, and they seem to be almost exclusively women. maybe they can let the men police this almost exclusively male issue. I dont know of any support groups for men who feel they are maimed, or deformed by having been circumscised, nor do I know of any male, personal or professional knowledge, that has any issues with being cut (although I am sure I will hear of several any second now)

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  13. Visit  consult2 profile page
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    "You can find paper after paper of peer reviewed, published, scientific studies that support both. Several have shown a lower incidence of HIV infection in areas of Africa for men who are circumscised."
    Sure you can, there is a 100 year history of studies CLAIMING benefits for circumcision, and none of them have ever found to be scientifically credible.

    And these studies have yet to be supported by the empirical evidence in the real world! In fact, the empirical evidence contradicts this claim, so don;t try to use this as an excuse..find a scientifically-PROVEN benefits and then come back.

    As for "personal choice, this is a tired old oxymoron when this choice was taken away form the person owning the penis.

    " I am sure glad mine was done as an infant when I don't remember it."

    WHY? there is no benefit and you are missing 3/4 of your penile sensations and sensitivity? Sure doesn't sound rational to me.
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  14. Visit  consult2 profile page
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    "BTW I have assisted with a few and the babies get a local (most doctors these days) and they Don't always scream, nor do we feel that we have been Maimed. The first TWO i was present for had no screaming, just a little boy sucking on my gloved finger."

    Nonsense! all methods of anesthesia only REDUCE the pain..and as for not screaming, many go into a trauma-induced come.

    whether or not one does not "FEELS maimed", hardly means one is not!

    How about a FEW who are not happy with having been circumcis-- or rather how about MILLIONS!!

    http://www.noharmm.org/synopsis.htm

    http://www.noharmm.org/bodyimage.htm

    http://www.noharmm.org/bju.htm

    This survey indicated there are 52 million men in the US that are dissatisfied with their circumcision. This number almost exactly duplicates a study in Journeyman in 1992. It must be fairly accurate.

    192 respondents (average age 44 years,85% circumcised

    circumcised intact
    Satisfied 38% 78%
    Dissatisfied 20% 3%
    Ambivalent 41% 17%
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