The Circumcision Discussion - page 6

I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My... Read More

  1. by   fergus51
    That's true where I am as well. It has been considered an elective cosmetic procedure for years and parents have had to pay for it since then. It does seem to make up the minds of those who had no strong feelings either way.
  2. by   fieryrn
    As of July 1, 2003, none of the insurance companies will be paying for the circ. Why???? Because circumcision is a cosmetic and not a medically necessary procedure.
    The arguement to have a circ because of the miniscule chance of penile cancer......You've got to be kidding. Do we take little girls ovaries out, or do mastectomies just to aleviate that risk latter in life?
    Just a thought!
    By the way....both of my boys are circ'd...but 24 yrs ago, the question was "do you want a circ" ,,,,I said yes....no other discussion or education. About 4 yrs later, I began to read more about the procedure...and I would not make the same decision again.
    But, I have healthy children and I do not feel guilty about the decision....I made a decision based on what I knew at the time.
  3. by   roxannekkb
    I never thought much about circumcisions being that it was the "norm" in the U.S., and my brother and just about everyone else was circ'd. It was only after I learned that most of the men in the world are not circumcised, and the so-called benefits are really nil. European men, for example, do not have escalating rates of all the diseases that circumcision is supposed to prevent.

    There were a few studies which were saying that circumcision helped protect against HIV, but in reality, it doesn't seem to be the case. The U.S., which has one of the highest rates of circumcision, has much higher rates of HIV than European countries, where circumcision is not generally performed except for medical reasons.

    At any rate, I feel that circumcision is a very invasive procedure, and it is mutilating a child without his consent. It is also rarely performed with any kind of anesthetic. I worked in the NICU, and I stopped assisting doctors in the procedure. Other nurses followed suit.

    Informed consent, as one poster here noted, is not signed by the person being circumcised.
  4. by   Anagray
    Roxanne, I applaud you for standing up for your belief. I had no idea you could refuse to assist with circumcision, because I completely dismissed the possibility of becoming mother/baby or ped nurse, just because I refuse to be a part of it.
    This gives me some hope.
  5. by   roxannekkb
    Thank you, Anagray. A lot of nurses have been refusing to help with circumcisions. We have no power to stop it, but we surely don't have to participate. It would be rare that a child on a peds floor would be circumcized, unless it was for medical reasons. But in mother/baby and NICU, yes, it happens a lot!

    However, a group of nurses in a hospital in Santa Fe, NM, formed a group called Nurses for the Rights of the Child, which is devoted to protecting children from circumcision. This is a link to their website: http://nurses.cirp.org/

    Nurses have started to protest this. Just as nurses are not forced to participate in voluntary pregnancy terminations, so it should be with circumcision. The docs were surprised when I began to refuse, but no one really said anything. I guess they'd already heard it!

    I also began to ask parents if they wanted to watch it, to see exactly what their baby was going through. Many of those that did said that they would never put another child through it.:kiss
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    I agonized over this issue with my first son (as I've told here previously) . . .DAD wanted it done. Second son, I made DAD watch. He came out saying "that was cool". Divorced, Remarried. Had a daughter . . .whew!! :-) Then 12 years later had a son. DAD wanted him circ'd.

    I think MEN are the ones who want their son's circ'd . . .

    And that is an interesting question . . . . . let's ask the guys . .. .

    Why do you want your sons circ'd?

    steph
  7. by   2bPhD
    God put that piece of skin there for a reason! We just don't know what that reason is.
  8. by   Spidey's mom
    My 18 y.o. just walked in the room and I decided to ask him.

    So I said "Honey, are you glad that your Dad and I had you circumcised when you were a baby?". He said "Heck yeah!". I said "Why?". He said "Well, its gross.".

    From the horse's mouth . .so to speak.

    Guess I'll stop feeling guilty.

    steph
    Last edit by Spidey's mom on Jun 25, '03
  9. by   fergus51
    I think every parent should watch a video showing the procedure, then they can make an informed decision. I would never suggest a parent watch their own child suffer, only because it's too late and would only make them feel bad.
  10. by   Anagray
    << "Well, its gross.">>
    I am wondering, why he thinks that having foreskin is gross? Kids usually form opinions based on what they are taught.
  11. by   sbic56
    Originally posted by Anagray
    << "Well, its gross.">>
    I am wondering, why he thinks that having foreskin is gross? Kids usually form opinions based on what they are taught.
    Exactly. It is a cultural thing and is part of ours. I don't see it changing all that much in the northeast. I think probably still over 50%, maybe up to 75% still want the circ done. How is it elsewhere?
  12. by   fergus51
    Apparently in the west, the circ'ed boys are the ones in the minority. Hope they don't get teased in the locker room
  13. by   sbic56
    Originally posted by fergus51
    Apparently in the west, the circ'ed boys are the ones in the minority. Hope they don't get teased in the locker room
    :chuckle Yeah...

    "Hey, where's your turtleneck, dude?"

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