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TKA - Muslim pt kneeling to pray?

by CanuckNurse1   Nov 26, '11 | 1,557 Views | 9 Comments

  1. 0 This is a hypothetical situation for a class presentation to my surgical nursing class, 4th year students.

    A Muslim patient is admitted for a total knee replacement. What can I, as a nurse, do to help him fulfill the Muslim requirement of kneeling 5 times/day to pray?

    How soon after a TKA would a patient be able to kneel for long enough to pray?

    Are there other options in the Muslim religion to fulfill this requirement, or allowance for situations like this where it's not possible to fulfill the requirements?

    Thanks!
    -Christine

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    Nov 28, '11 by
    Thanks to Jahra for the info (I don't have PM privileges yet, so I can't PM you back).

    Is there somewhere I should be posting to get feedback about alternatives to kneeling for Muslim patients? Can this post be moved to the general discussions?
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    Nov 28, '11 by Senior Moderator
    Found these:

    http://jima.imana.org/article/viewFile/5292/38_1-17

    http://www.ahdubai.com/news/newsdtls.aspx?newid=4

    can't seem to locate anything that describes special considerations for postop Muslim pts though
    Last edit by dianah on Nov 28, '11
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    Nov 28, '11 by
    Thanks, Dianah
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    Nov 29, '11 by
    most religions in the world give you a pass on particular observances (e.g., fasting) if you have a medical condition. i would be surprised if this is any different. can you share your findings?
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    Nov 30, '11 by
    Turning the bed to face Mecca?
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    Nov 30, '11 by
    No, fasting has specific exclusions. Even though the pt. has a TKR, he/she can still pray in the bed. They must complete ablution/wudu (the proper cleansing before prayer), and then the bed can face Makkah. They pray using their upper body, and instead of kneeling on the floor, they would bend at their torso by leaning forward in bed, and instead of standing back up from the kneeling position, they just lean backward. Let me know if you need more info.
    Last edit by Sabr&Shukr on Nov 30, '11
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    Nov 30, '11 by
    http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/67934/...g%20obligatory Hope this helps.
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    Nov 30, '11 by
    "no, fasting has specific exclusions. even though the pt. has a tkr, he/she can still pray in the bed. they must complete ablution/wudu (the proper cleansing before prayer), and then the bed can face makkah. they pray using their upper body, and instead of kneeling on the floor, they would bend at their torso by leaning forward in bed, and instead of standing back up from the kneeling position, they just lean backward. let me know if you need more info."

    i understand about the fasting, but you have supported my point: the person who is unable to kneel has accommodations made / alternatives available. thank you for your comprehensive reply, though.
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    Dec 1, '11 by
    I have to say it..... this makes my knees hurt just thinking about! I would assume that they wouldn't be wanting to kneel because of the pain. I'm sure there are alternatives for them... what they are I don't know.


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