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No. 20
Old Jan 29, 2004, 01:50 PM

Vote Bush out the door in 2004.
Vote his supporters, the senators who do not protect workers rights, out asap.
Texas would never be a place I would want to work. Have 3 friends who came back East after 5 or more years there. They saw handwriting on wall and left before they were injured or blackballed. They are good nurses, no problems with health or credit, just getting older. They said over 35 is dangerous in Texas. Any body agree?
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No. 21
from mattsmom81
Old Jan 29, 2004, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by barefootlady
They are good nurses, no problems with health or credit, just getting older. They said over 35 is dangerous in Texas. Any body agree?
LOL! Well I am over 35 and definitely notice I was much more in demand and quickly and easily hired b4 35!!!

Since I haven't been anywhere else but here since age 35 I can't really compare, but I suspect since we are a employment at will, nonunion state that you might be correct. Add a work injury in my past and a hospital association that keeps some suspect files on us via Group One, it sure hasn't helped older nurses any...LOL! Those of us who have spoken up ( or tried to organize...don't say the U word down here) end up getting bit in the arse for it sooner or later, I'm afraid. Discouraging.

But all in all I'm surviving....still learning......still got a job and will be getting a raise soon so can't whine too much (altho I sure miss my union). I look forward to my hubby transfering us back out of here....but it will now be harder to leave as I have raised the kiddos here....

Wish I could get a nice warm pro nurse, union area with a reasonable cost of living...I don't want much do I????LOL!!!
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No. 22
from Tweety
Old Jan 29, 2004, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Mike RGN
A no lift policy means what it says

We don't lift at all

We assist to move if the patient can help by sliding, suporting otherwise we Hoist.

Lots of patient with education now move themselves

I love the idea of a no-lift facility!

What does "Hoist" mean. Is that a mechanical lifting device?
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No. 23
from donmurray
Old Jan 29, 2004, 08:53 PM

Yes tweety, except we use the word as a verb too! Is a "Hoyer" a particular make of hoisting/lifting device?
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No. 24
from mattsmom81
Old Jan 30, 2004, 11:50 AM

Default Hoyer Lift..
We have one that belongs to rehab but they won't borrow it to us....stingy things they are.

It's a crane device that sits the patient into a chair from the bed.

I hear in Europe facilities are suspending these types of cranes from the ceiling in each room??
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No. 25
from donmurray
Old Jan 30, 2004, 02:02 PM

www.arjo.com
is a Swedish (I think) manufacturer who has a presence in the USA. Their site shows a range of different equipment including tracked ceiling hoists. I think it's under "Lifting and transport"
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No. 26
from mattsmom81
Old Jan 30, 2004, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by donmurray
www.arjo.com
is a Swedish (I think) manufacturer who has a presence in the USA. Their site shows a range of different equipment including tracked ceiling hoists. I think it's under "Lifting and transport"
Thanks for the link Don....we can only wish for stuff like this!!! Sure would save on nurses' backs!!
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No. 27
Old Jan 30, 2004, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by gwenith
I meant - sell it to your facility/institution.

The main focus of no -lift is the "slide sheet" /"move tube" this is (would you believe) sail cloth. IT is REALLY slippery cloth that is placed under the patient. You still need to roll the patient but not as far - once rolled you put the slide sheet under them and then you pull the patient into the correct position - we are taught how to do this and minimise the stress on our backs and shoulders. Taking the cloth out again is very easy. We actually have "wardsmen" who turn our patients for us (usually big strapping blokes) but even THEY use the slide sheets. We use hoists - even on vented patients - to get them out of bed and certainly use hoists for bathing etc.
I like the "slide sheet/move tube" idea but have never seen one. Is it useful for lifting those who slide down in bed?

Regarding your "wardsmen' there is an ad recruiting licensed nurses showing smiling young men who look like competative bodybuilders depicting the "lift team".

Once we had an "orderly" called the "night man" who held a 140 pound patient is pelvic traction with an arm onder shoulders and hips while I cleaned her and changed the sheets! He was a strapping young man, strong and caring.

A hoyer lift is a help but some patients are frightened by being suspended in a sling.

LOVE cardiac chairs that can be flat and even with the bed for sliding. Than they convert to an upright or reclining position with the arms up. They also have a removable tray for meals, activities, and can remind patients not to try getting up without help.

I am one fortunate nurse who has worked for decades without a back injury. Two shoulder injuries though. No pain but residual decrease in strength.


I have seen patients >200- 300 pounds with CHF suffer with their feet over the foot of the bed (many diabetic too). I could not pull them up alone. No one was free to help (or in some cases willing).

A lift team would prevent patient suffering, nurse injuries, and allow licensed nurses with injuries to continue at the bedside.
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No. 28
from mattsmom81
Old Jan 31, 2004, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by spacenurse
[B
A lift team would prevent patient suffering, nurse injuries, and allow licensed nurses with injuries to continue at the bedside. [/b]
I have watched as hospitals eliminate porters, orderlies, aides, and transporters from our facilities. Too many of our veteran nurses retire with chronic pain from years of overwork.

It would be nice to be valued for my brains instead of my ability to lift. Sometimes I feel like a plowhorse instead of a professional.
When I apply for a job (as an older nurse) my health and lifting abilities seem a main focus of concern. ('show us you can lift 75# off the floor 6 times and 100# off the floor 3 times consecutively')

TPTB 'say' they value our professionalism and skills, but when I watch what they DO it doesn't jive.

We had a new physical therapist who started out lecturing nurses..."'if you lift PROPERLY you won't get hurt". Once she started coming out of the dept's controlled setting and into bedside patient situations she quickly got injured...funny how that happens. The lectures have stopped and she stays in the dept now.

I have learned the hard way to back off a situation where my instincts tell me I can get hurt. I also don't let doctors, patients and families bully me into disregarding my health and wellbeing.

We have to look out for ourselves...nobody else will.
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No. 29
from donmurray
Old Jan 31, 2004, 06:52 PM

Your comment on the "lifting trial" is terrifying! The UK equivalent of OSHA is the Health & Safety Executive (HSE) who set standards across industry. This website link is to the musculoskeletal section...it's not directly health related, but the weights involved, and the calculations of the different factors in the examples show that nobody should lift anyone bigger than a medium sized child!

http://www.hse.gov.uk/msd/index.htm#top
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