Future Shortage in Bedside Nurses - page 6
I have been an RN for 22 years. In recent years, we all know that the trend has been for acute inpatient facilities to try to hire BSN nurses as much as possible. However, another trend that I am seeing, both here on these forums... Read More
- 0Aug 30, '12 by tigerlogicAs BSN programs become more competitive, only the most ambitious students are getting in. My ABSN program had a higher entering GPA than the med school. Most of us decided if we want to be nurses or doctors and decided on nursing for x,y,z. As part of that we've all considered how much responsibility and automomy we want. Rumor had it that talking about wanting to be a leader was more likely to get you in. Therefore nursing admission boards are selecting for those that see bedside as a temporary part of their career, rather than the end game.
- 9Aug 30, '12 by DoGoodThenGoQuote from Mom To 4Am willing to bet there are plenty of current nurses and potential ones that would be happy to devote their entire career to the bedside, if only they were allowed to get on in peace. All they ask is proper professional, financial and administrative support up to and including a bit of recognition now and then for a job well done. But no for far to many the reality is they are stuck in conditions that resemble the Second Pouch of Dante's Inferno.I am one of those waiting to move on. I have worked bedside as an ADN and a BSN. It stinks! There is never enough help and the list of things I am supposed to do in order to provide "Excellence in Every Way" grows longer by the day. It is unrealistic to say the least. As soon as I complete my DNP program in 2015 the floor has lost another one
- 2Aug 30, '12 by samadams8Quote from DoGoodThenGoApparently there are a few MD programs that feel the same way. Who knew?
This will not become the rule, at least not any time soon.
Truth is, if people struggle with academic Bio I, II, Chem I, II, Organic Chem I, II, and Physics I and II, they are going to have a seriously hard time with the rapid fire onslaught of medical school courses and preparing for Steps.
There is a reason they suggest pre-meds take Biochemistry.
The hoop jumping doesn't stop after you get into Med School at all, either, that is, if you do get in.
Allopathic schools--> competitive is at least cGPA of 3.6 w/ sGPA of 3.5 and up, and a MCAT score > 30, with no area < 8.
At a $100,000 - 200,000 debt load for med schools, minus undergrad or any other grad school amounts, and well as lost wages and other costs, meds schools are not likely to change pre-med requirements.
- 3Aug 30, '12 by imintroubleI am devoid of ambition:spin: An associate degree has served me well. As others have already posted, we can't all be chiefs. I don't love bedside nursing, but I hate the alternative.
I wish all of those who pursue an advanced degree the best of luck.
I'll still be at the bedside when you get out of school, and start writing orders for me to carry out.
- 1Aug 30, '12 by AeternaI'm in the same boat of having little to no ambition to go higher xD I have my BSN because, here in Ontario, most hospitals are moving towards requiring a BSN to work as a nurse (I only graduated 2 years ago). I don't even think there are diploma level nursing schools being offered anymore - they are either all university programs or program shared by a university and college, although both would lead to a degree.
I know lots of nurses around my age who are aiming for their Master's. Me? I hated hated hated school and have no desire to go back to it, at least for the next few years. Don't get me wrong. I don't hate school because I was bad at it. I graduated summa cum laude and was on the Dean's List for 3 out of my 4 years in university. I just hate the repetitive work, the endless hours of sludging through research papers, and writing essays that aren't going to see the light of day once they're graded. I much prefer being around and about, working with my hands, and interacting with people.
Still, I'm not sure if I want to stay at the bedside forever, but I can foresee being there for a while longer, just perhaps with a different focus. I've done med/onco for the last 2 years and I'm ready to try something different, maybe a surgical floor, just for the change in pace and to find a slightly different skill set. Perhaps when I'm older and slowing down, I'll look into teaching (because I've been told I'd make a good teacher and it does appeal to me).
- 0Aug 31, '12 by anotheronei have a bsn and I have no clue what I want to do. Never saw myself doing anything specific or exclusively. I work in med surg and MANY leave fast for greener pastures. LD, ER and ICU especially. Bsn or not , althought most have their bsn because there aren't many asn or diploma programs around. I almost feel as if there is some contempt from other nurses towards those that work in med surg and LTC even amoung those in the same facility. I can't think of any who have gone back to school although there is a new grad who is in some program for a NP. People leave because there are smaller ratios on those other specialites and those areas excite or interest the more than the repetitiveness of med surg. Any nurse I can think of who has left, has gone on to another area in nursing that is still at the bedside even if it is a LD or post partum bed or well baby bed lol. During clinicals I did meet some nures who still worked as staff nures do to their own choice who had MSN degrees.
- 2Aug 31, '12 by anotheroneQuote from knoyes1ALL of those on my floor with more than 20 years of experience have done something outside of bedside, I believe. I dunno who can handle it for 20-30 years either. I notice that the whole staff is about 0-7 years in experience and then a few with over 20years. Where do those in the middle go? interesting.There is a nursing shortage at the bedside because nurses get tired of being treated like crap. They get treated unfairly by patients, families,supervisors, and co workers.
Who is going to stay in that environment.
I recently was literally cursed out by a nursing shift supervisor for no good reason. If I had cursed her out I would have been fired.
There were even wittnesses. She still has a job and is allowed to be part of my evaluation. I am stuck in this profession as this is all I have ever done for over 20 years.
I need the pay check.
- 11Aug 31, '12 by joanna73 GuideI've noticed that some people seem to criticize others for wanting a higher degree, and/ or to leave bedside nursing. Please keep in mind that professional development is a personal choice. As I mentioned in an earlier post, more nurses would willingly stay on acute/ med surg floors if the working conditions were better. Sure, it's very noble to care for others....but not at the expense of your own health.
- 11Aug 31, '12 by brandy1017I think the hospitals are to blame for the mass exodus of new BSN grads going on to MSN/NP because of the poor working condtions, understaffing, and cost cutting and poor treatment of RN's and workers in general! If hospitals cleaned up their act, hired adequate staff and stopped micromanaging their employees more would stay! Also invested in a safe no lift environment with adequate lift equipment so someone is not looking over their shoulder for a back/neck injury waiting to happen! It is really their own fault they can't keep staff!
Unless things change, floor nursing will basically be a "paid" residency for the majority of nurses climbing the ladder for something better and you can't blame them for that!