work abroad w/out experience.. possible?

bice29 · Sep 13, 2006

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is it possible to work in australia as a nurse without a license here in phil. I read in the internet that in order to work on Oz you should have a license from the state/territory that you will be working for. another requirement s is that you must pass the IELTS since i Graduated in philippines. Does anybody here knows the whole process to work as a nurse in down under. I already have visa but its was tourist visa. Im just plaaning to do a bridging visa once i get there.

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RNHawaii34 · Sep 17, 2006

yes it is possible but at what expense? patient's life?
poor nursing care and bad decision making related to inexperience in the hospital setting will show during emergency crisis and it is giving us filipinos a bad name abroad.
i once heard a news of a nursing director reprimanding a newbie and i quote her saying:"you are here to work not to learn!!!". kinda shameful right?
this is not to discourage you, however, i still recommend for you to at least do volunteer work for about six months in any hospital in the philippines before applying abroad.
;)pippin ™

normally, they will train you with pay, and they have excellent preceptors who will be working with you while you're on your orientation. they will never let you handle a patient until you completed your competencies, and the orientation/training will last for x number of months. but i think it's better if you have work experience in the hospitals in the philippines,because it will help you a lot.pls. learn how to communicate with your patients, co workers, m.d.s, also practice your good asessment skills, critical thinking, etc. stay current on what's new in nursing stuff. hope this will help ya, goodluck!

k3immigrant · Sep 21, 2006

It is very possible to work in the US without experience.I got petitioned in the US, RN in the Philippines but I had no acute hospital experience at all.One thing when you are a new grad, you need to be assertive and very willing to learn.I got training for 2 months & in a year, I got awarded Nurse of the Year.It will take perseverance, lots of reading, asking co workers, doctors & other members of the interdisciplinary team to learn.Don't be scared to ask doctors why they order some tests to be done & before you know it, you are starting to gain knowledge.

pg27 · Sep 22, 2006

but in ETA 9089 u need to put your work experience, will i just put there NA

nursecpa · Sep 22, 2006

It is very possible to work in the US without experience.I got petitioned in the US, RN in the Philippines but I had no acute hospital experience at all.One thing when you are a new grad, you need to be assertive and very willing to learn.I got training for 2 months & in a year, I got awarded Nurse of the Year.It will take perseverance, lots of reading, asking co workers, doctors & other members of the interdisciplinary team to learn.Don't be scared to ask doctors why they order some tests to be done & before you know it, you are starting to gain knowledge.

Wow, you must be very good. Getting nurse of the year award is no small feat. You make us Filipinos proud.

Re this thread, new and inexperienced RNs have problems finding a sponsor to petition them. Ads are usually very specific with job experience. Even if you go from one agency to another, attend job fairs, chances are you'll be asked to have at the minimum a year of hospital experience. Not teaching, not community. I would say that friends and relatives esp. in the US are still the best source of info on openings for new grads. Internet too.

We would love to hear how you and others got petitioned even without any experience.

Rep · Sep 23, 2006

As for the question, is experience necessary to work in the US?

No, experience is not a requirement. In fact it is not even a requirement when you apply for an EB3 visa. The reason why experience comes out is because this is what agencies want. It is not what the hospitals are looking. Usually, hospitals here have their own training programs to teach nurses, whether US or foreign graduates, with experience or not..

Only when a hospital is in dire need of a nurse specialist like OR, ER, ICU nurse that they will require experience at least a year or two for the applicant. Or if you want to go travelers then you need to have experience because these are positions that immediately need the nurses at the bedside right away.

Hospitals here will set up job fairs and you will really enjoy visiting these because aside from knowing what positions available you can also bring home some giveaways, my sister went to Stanford here and she brought home a knapsack and a sweater.

Most of the nurses who have no experience will likely go to new graduate programs based on what specialty on a nurse should want to go. And hospitals here offered this kind of program throughout the year. In this program, it is like going to back to school, you have classroom lessons and then clinicals, the good thing here is that an applicant is being paid already unlike in the Philippines where you are the ones paying the hospital for the training. Crazy isn't it?

Others will go through a receptorship program which is also common and the program will last from threee to six months depending on the nurse capabilities and abilities to learn and work.

k3immigrant · Sep 23, 2006

i guess putting you work experience as NA or none is just the right thing to do instead of commiting fraud.

sometimes it's more of a disadvantage to have experience esp if the experience is not like the standards of US nursing practice.i precepted a nurse who had 10 years of experience in another country & he had a hard time changing his ways from what he got used to.also, another nurse w/ 11 years of ICU experience but all those 11 years, they had an md in their unit(this is not in the philippines) telling them what to do.one day i asked her to look at her lab results then asked her w/c meds to give or not to give, she went to the chart & looked for the md's orders & told me that she was giving everything.

i am not saying that having experience is bad or something negative but NOT having experience is NOT a requirement at all.

dindog · Oct 21, 2006

I heard that some US hospitals prefer fresh grads (provided they passed all the required exams) who came from foreign countries because the training, system, ethics and equipment they use in the US are very much different compared here in the Philippines.

RNHawaii34 · Oct 21, 2006

i heard that some us hospitals prefer fresh grads (provided they passed all the required exams) who came from foreign countries because the training, system, ethics and equipment they use in the us are very much different compared here in the philippines.

i totally agree. an example, correct me if i am wrong, when i was a student in the philippines, i don't see staff nurses assess their patients. the docs do it. the nurses there rely on the docs for this and that..and seems like nobody wants to question the docs.here in the u.s. the first thing you do is assess your patients.thats one part of your main responsibility.the docs here relies on you, based on your assessments, observations, you can call the docs and recommend what you think is needed to do next. your role as a nurse here is very complicated in compare to the ones we have back home.critical thinking is a must, it takes a lot of practice though, once you get used to it, you're good to go.

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lawrence01 · Oct 22, 2006

i totally agree. an example, correct me if i am wrong, when i was a student in the philippines, i don't see staff nurses assess their patients. the docs do it. the nurses there rely on the docs for this and that..and seems like nobody wants to question the docs.here in the u.s. the first thing you do is assess your patients.thats one part of your main responsibility.the docs here relies on you, based on your assessments, observations, you can call the docs and recommend what you think is needed to do next. your role as a nurse here is very complicated in compare to the ones we have back home.critical thinking is a must, it takes a lot of practice though, once you get used to it, you're good to go.

it depends on the facility. some hospitals designate that job to the medical clerks (4th yr med students) and medical interns if the facility have them but the nurses in-charge are expected to have their own assessments and are checked by their immediate superiors. in some hospitals each one (from clerk to intern to resident) should have their own assessments. the consultant docs relies on their much detailed assessments as well.

but you're right, their are more responsibilities for nurses their in the u.s. compared inthe philippines. come to think of it.. if you've done your clinicals on a facility here w/ medical clerks and interns; they are doing what u.s. nurses are doing in the u.s.

RNHawaii34 · Oct 22, 2006

your right about that lawrence, i noticed that when i actually had my rle in one of the government hospital there in manila, the doc interns did all of the procedures that the nursing students supposed to learn hands on....i guess just because nursing students are on the bottom list, and maybe those interns paid more for that training, we were just shove in the corner and watch them do foley or ng tube insertion....tsk, tsk, tsk:smackingf

lawrence01 · Oct 23, 2006

your right about that lawrence, i noticed that when i actually had my rle in one of the government hospital there in manila, the doc interns did all of the procedures that the nursing students supposed to learn hands on....i guess just because nursing students are on the bottom list, and maybe those interns paid more for that training, we were just shove in the corner and watch them do foley or ng tube insertion....tsk, tsk, tsk:smackingf

that's how it is done here. that's the system. if it's correct or not is open for debate.

however, once a nurse becomes a regular staff every routine procedure should be done 1st by the staff and they get only 1 try then suppose to pass the "buck" to the next in line w/c are the interns then in turn to the residents.