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Sorry, but you are incorrect on this one and way off. Hospitals may be coming there but they do not provide the visas for the nurses. And even the big group in Florida that was bringing them over by the boat-load has announced that they have stopped the practice, for those that were coming over under the H1-B visa.
How can you say that I am incorrect and way off? The question was "Why do filipino nurses continue to think there are jobs here"
The answer is simple: Filipinos continue to think there are jobs in the USA because recruiters for hospitals in the USA are TELLING THEM that there are.
Of course Hospitals don't issue the visas and of course the hiring agencies are doing all sorts of odd and perhaps illegal things but the question was simply put as to why nurses over here think they can get work easily in the USA. That's the answer.
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It really does not matter that someone wishes to provide for their family, so do all Americans. And when they are out of work, then why is it the responsibility of our government to pay for others from other countries to work here?
You are absolutely right and you will not get an argument from me out of that one. There is currently a bill in the House which will make Hospitals pay $15,000 to support nursing colleges in the USA for every foreign nurse that is hired. The goal is to help more Americans fill nursing jobs
in the long term while overseas nurses fill positions in the short term. According to the documents from Department of Homeland Security the impending nurse shortage is considered a matter of national security. They claim that the USA needs 1.2 million new nurses by 2011 and that US Nursing schools can only provide 500,000 of these nurses. This is why there are bills being proposed in the House right now to both bring nurses in from outside the USA and reinforce the nursing institutions at home so that there is a short-term and long-term solution combined. My notes are at work but tomorrow or Monday I can give you the bill numbers so you can see the proposals yourself.
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And remember that the Philippines does not permit a foreigner to sit for their licensing exam, even if they have grown up there and attended all of their schooling there. So why is the US required to take who ever wants to come here? There are already 500,000 unemployed RNs there, so why does one assume that they are automatically going to be able to come to the US? Just is not going to happen. Palina and simple. And for you to try to get someone's hopes up about it is just uncalled for. You are not in the US right now and are not seeing on a daily basis what is happening.
What about your job there, since I can assume that it is not as a nurse?
Hmm, well there are a few parts to this section:
1) I am not trying to get someone's hopes up irresponsibly, I am trying to present a balanced picture of the realities of how hard things are with a measure of hope for the future. I will never tell a nurse online or face to face that she can get a job in the USA within the next year because that will never happen even if all the bills in the house pass as fast as possible.
2) There are a lot of complexities with the Philippines and nursing licensure, an American-born filipino can actually work in the Philippines if he/she can prove certain things about his parents and establish a dual-citizenship.
3) I do see what is happening in the USA on a daily basis which is why I am working to try and find alternatives for nurses in other locations. I have family in the USA and I am very concerned for their ability to survive this economic crisis. I do not want retrogression to go away, but at the same time I see the numbers stating that nurses are needed in the USA in the near future.
4) I work with nurses on a daily basis. I help nurses achieve their personal and professional goals and I save them a lot of time and money in the process. I earn a very average wage for the Philippines so I am not taking advantage of anyone. I am not a recruiter, a headhunter, a placement agency or any of those things. Why does it matter what my job is? I am concerned about nurses and want to help people. Before taking this job I coordinated disaster relief for various areas around the world which included coordination and directing of medical emergency personnel. I love nurses and I want what is best for them whether they are American, Filipino or any other nationality. Isn't that enough?
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Sorry, but it does not work that way. And even Canada is tightening things now as well. Alberta is no longer going to be bringing over IENs either as of I believe the next month or two.
And the agencies have not increased their demands at all, actually the other way around. You may just be seeing more where you are, but that is most definitely not the norm. Remember that an agency also does not get paid until the nurse begins to work, and when one is looking at more than 7 years, you cannot tell me that there is in an increase; unless they are shady to begin with. And that tells me alot right away.
And then what about all of the anecdotal notes that I have been receiving as of late of the nurses that came over on the H1-B and were no grads and with no experience whatsoever. That is actually grounds to be deported in my book since they never had any experience and that is a requirement of the H1-B that one is a specialist. New grads most definitely are not and the errors that I am hearing about are just shameful
You are absolutely right.
If you go to job fairs here in the Philippines there are dozens of recruiters and staffing firms convincing nurses that there are positions waiting. There is a lot of stuff that is left unsaid and omitted from the equation.
Nurses are being lied to and misled, there is an upcoming job fair next weekend and I have a personal assurance from the organizer that the recruiters are legitimate, but I will have to see for myself.
Please review my last post again, I think you misinterpreted it. I was not saying that positions are available and nurses can be hired; I was merely answering WHY nurses believe that jobs exist in the USA.
I maintain that the hospitals in the USA should be the ones held accountable for filling these nurses heads with vain promises and using illegitimate hiring practices through agencies here that cannot be held to the fire by US courts.
One WARNING I will give to Pinoy nurses: There is a trend now among some agencies to tell you that you can go to the USA to study and work. They will tell you that you can go in under a student visa and get a job to work full time while you study.
What they do NOT tell you is that co-op education is not working as an RN and that once your added education ends you have to return to the Philippines since your visa transition cannot happen under retrogression.
Additionally, Co-op jobs do not pay much at all so after you spend for your tuition and housing and stuff you won't have anything left over to send back home.
Getting a nursing degree in the USA as a foreign nurse does not make it any easier to get licensure or an immigrant/working visa in the USA.