US demand for Filipino nurses declining - educator

[pinoy_guy]

us demand for filipino nurses declining - educator

some 40 percent of filipino nurses in the united states have undesirable work habits, which could likely be the cause for the slump in the demand for pinoy nurses, an educator said friday.

an article in sun-star cebu quoted henry seno, president of the american dream review institute inc. (amdream) as saying that the decline in the demand for filipino nurses abroad is caused more by a change in work attitude of the latest batch of nursing professionals rather than the june 2006 nursing board exam cheating controversy.

change in work attitude...

i wonder if this is related to the nurses who got "fast track" bsns, all in less than 6 months.

cgfns & uscis have to crack down on these people, they're ruining things for the nurses who went through nursing school.

"nurses in the philippines now are no longer of the same quality as the nurses five to 10 years back," seno said.

this quote sounds very familiar here...

suzanne, are you putting words into this guy's mouth?

he said 40 percent of filipino nurses in the united states, despite receiving an average salary of $8,000 to $10,000 a month, "do not show up for work (and) literally do not report to the hospitals, especially those with immigrant status (while) those who report act as if they are not there because they're busy doing other things."

he forgot the other sticking point--nurses who, after getting to the us with their green cards, demand to be released from their contracts.

my reading of that situation--if the nurses win against the agency--is that the door for filipino nurses to the us will slam shut.

no agency will be willing to sign on filipino nurses if nurses have the "human right" to not honor the terms of the contracts.

the only 2 options remaining will be aos and direct hiring by hospitals--which are rare, and are quickly filled up.

hundreds of thousands of nurses with nowhere to go.

seno also hits the growing number of nursing schools in the country, churning out nursing graduates who are lacking in hands-on experience and a good grasp of educational background.

"there are more nursing schools now and so many nursing graduates. these schools have become mere diploma mills," seno said.

i think this person is quoting a moderator here.

this negative scenario, he said, has caused hospitals and clinics in the united states to recruit more nurses from india, korea and china compared to those they hire from philippines as these institutions have become apprehensive in their choice of nursing imports.

i agree with this statement.

there are a lot of nurses in the us, especially from india, then china, then korea. a few from japan. new hires.

their english not as good, but they get the job done.

seno also blames local recruitment agencies for taking advantage of the need for nurses in the us by "duping" hospitals and health institutions to hire pinoy nurses who are not qualified for nursing jobs.

hmmm...

[lenjoy03, RN]

I do not agree to this statement because if it's the case now why are recruiters here in the Philippines still hiring Filipino nurses.

Simple! Because of money! Some agencies still recruits nurses illegaly. PArt of the contract may not be explained properly. Like for example the Sentosa case.. Although it was not proven due to lack of evidence. Try to read some thread... It might enlighten you....

I personally believe that this is just an opinion of someone who doesn't know the real score, commenting on an issue that is isolated and does not represent the general working ethics of the Filipino nurses in majority

Mind you.. I might be not an expert with this matters but they're right. I don't question the Filipino ethics and I'm not generalizing either, but there are some unethical Filipino. Looking for greener pasture by breaching contracts and some are are out of the line! We experience it here in the Philippines, and definitely they experience it in other countries...

[crossbow]

I don't think anyone meant that hospitals are not recruiting filipinos anymore. It's just that more and more hospitals would rather not want to because of nurses not fulfilling their contracts. Previous posters have shared their own experiences regarding that.

:yeah:

[crossbow]

sorry, but even though there are recruiters, most are not recruiting for hospitals, and there are also no visas available, and we do not expect them for sometime. recruiters have been making promises there for years and many have been unable to live up to what has been promised. many are also recruiting there illegally.

and the better part is that the above posters are actually from the philippines, and are actually in the us working in the rn role and have been doing so for sometime. they are quite factual in what they are posting.

i understand that you are new here, but you need to be aware of what is actually going on, not the rosy picture that some of these recruiters are boasting about.

example, i am sure that the ones from the border towns in texas, where they do not have the ratio laws have not told you that you will have 12 to 15 patients that you are responsible for and this is in a hospital and not a long term care facility. you must always check out everything before signing.

and there are many other threads here where specifics as to what is going on in pi is actually discussed on this foum. please have a read.

:yeah::yeah:

[crossbow]

cardiac enzymes are done q6h x 3.

here its q4 x 3

manila is kinda similar...but the scale is disproportionate.

minimum daily wage in manila is $7/day...and a big mac meal is $2, almost 1/3 of your daily wage--leaving you with $5.

minimum hourly wage is $30 in nyc, and a big mac meal is $6...so assuming you work 8 hours a day, that's $240 daily wage, leaving you with $234 after your big mac meal.

yes but we try not to equate dollar to pesos.

you earn in dollars you spend in dollars........

generally

living in the city, one spends more dollars for an item than if living in a suburb or township, right?

just like in manila and the provinces.

spend more pesos for an item than buying it in the town or province.

so save and live outside a city ha ha ha:lol2:

[pinoy_guy]

yes but we try not to equate dollar to pesos.

you earn in dollars you spend in dollars........

using big macs as a reference point was not my idea. i think a female economist was the main proponent of this idea, and it's called big mac economics.

you don't have to convert to pesos. you convert your salary to the number of big macs, and it will give you an idea of the purchasing power of your money.

generally

living in the city, one spends more dollars for an item than if living in a suburb or township, right?

just like in manila and the provinces.

spend more pesos for an item than buying it in the town or province.

so save and live outside a city ha ha ha:lol2:

i don't have that much money to spend yet, so i can't really say at this point.

however, i can say that buying online is much cheaper than buying from the stores.

and the products arrive in pristine condition.

:)

[pinoy_guy]

and the better part is that the above posters are actually from the philippines, and are actually in the us working in the rn role and have been doing so for sometime. they are quite factual in what they are posting.

it's kinda strange that some people would rather believe the rumors flying around in manila, rather than the experiences of people who are actually in the us.

[crossbow]

using big macs as a reference point was not my idea. i think a female economist was the main proponent of this idea, and it's called big mac economics.

you don't have to convert to pesos. you convert your salary to the number of big macs, and it will give you an idea of the purchasing power of your money.

being a cardiac nurse at heart and by profession, big macs are not my ideal point of comparison. this is due to the fact that i will need to take into account the money i will have to spent for stents placed when i have my mi!!

i don't have that much money to spend yet, so i can't really say at this point.

however, i can say that buying online is much cheaper than buying from the stores.

and the products arrive in pristine condition.

:)

i know i like buying online. my so many vintage collections have had acquisitions purchased through it

;)

[pinoy_guy]

being a cardiac nurse at heart and by profession, big macs are not my ideal point of comparison. this is due to the fact that i will need to take into account the money i will have to spent for stents placed when i have my mi!!

i'm just waiting for a filipino economist to introduce the "fishball economics."

less chances of heart attacks, but increased risk for amebiasis.

but we'll be talking hundreds to thousands of fishballs.

i know i like buying online. my so many vintage collections have had acquisitions purchased through it

;)

amazing, huh?

to receive mail and parcels intact?

[SF Fog]

[$8,000.00 to $10,000.00 a month.....what are they? supermodels????? can somebody tell me if what state these nurses are working at? maybe i should move there!!!! where are they getting this digits?????? busy doing what? i think who ever turn down that much $$$ is a total idiot!!!

to rnhawaii34: i have been an rn here in the sf bay area, ca. for over 20 years therefore i can give you an expert answer. if you work as an acute care rn in the san francisco area you will be making $8,000 to $10,000 per month. just check the web sites of the major hospitals and you will read about how much they offer the rn's. of course if you are a new grad you will earn a little less, but if you have at least several years of acute care experience in the united states you will be making this much.

many of the acute care hospitals also offer sign-on bonuses to the tune of $5,000, and if you have recent icu experience or other specialties they will offer you up to $10,000 sign-on bonus.

someone posted that the high cost of housing in the sf bay area is a major negative factor in living here and i couldn't agree more. but the sf bay area is one of the most desirable places in the usa in which to live. there is cultural diversity, the climate is mild, food is great, there are lots of nice places to see and visit, etc. and there are many hospitals where nurses can apply for employment.

the state mandated nurse-to-patient ratio of 1:5 is going to be 1:4 come january 1st., 2008. if the hospitals in the state will abide the mandate remains to be seen though. the large hospital where i work has been hiring a lot of new rn's. i think nursing care will only get better with the improved staffing ratio.

[SilverSurfer]

To RNHawaii34: I have been an RN here in the SF Bay Area, Ca. for over 20 years therefore I can give you an expert answer. If you work as an acute care RN in the San Francisco Area you will be making $8,000 to $10,000 per month. Just check the web sites of the major hospitals and you will read about how much they offer the RN's. Of course if you are a new grad you will earn a little less, but if you have at least several years of acute care experience in the United States you will be making this much.

Many of the acute care hospitals also offer sign-on bonuses to the tune of $5,000, and if you have recent ICU experience or other specialties they will offer you up to $10,000 sign-on bonus.

Someone posted that the high cost of housing in the SF Bay Area is a major negative factor in living here and I couldn't agree more. But the SF Bay Area is one of the most desirable places in the USA in which to live. There is cultural diversity, the climate is mild, food is great, there are lots of nice places to see and visit, etc. and there are many hospitals where nurses can apply for employment.

The state mandated nurse-to-patient ratio of 1:5 is going to be 1:4 come January 1st., 2008. If the hospitals in the state will abide the mandate remains to be seen though. The large hospital where I work has been hiring a lot of new RN's. I think nursing care will only get better with the improved staffing ratio.

:yeahthat:

[swtgrl_bee]

To RNHawaii34: I have been an RN here in the SF Bay Area, Ca. for over 20 years therefore I can give you an expert answer. If you work as an acute care RN in the San Francisco Area you will be making $8,000 to $10,000 per month. Just check the web sites of the major hospitals and you will read about how much they offer the RN's. Of course if you are a new grad you will earn a little less, but if you have at least several years of acute care experience in the United States you will be making this much.

Many of the acute care hospitals also offer sign-on bonuses to the tune of $5,000, and if you have recent ICU experience or other specialties they will offer you up to $10,000 sign-on bonus.

Someone posted that the high cost of housing in the SF Bay Area is a major negative factor in living here and I couldn't agree more. But the SF Bay Area is one of the most desirable places in the USA in which to live. There is cultural diversity, the climate is mild, food is great, there are lots of nice places to see and visit, etc. and there are many hospitals where nurses can apply for employment.

The state mandated nurse-to-patient ratio of 1:5 is going to be 1:4 come January 1st., 2008. If the hospitals in the state will abide the mandate remains to be seen though. The large hospital where I work has been hiring a lot of new RN's. I think nursing care will only get better with the improved staffing ratio.

very well said. :balloons::balloons::balloons:

[RNHawaii34]

to rnhawaii34: i have been an rn here in the sf bay area, ca. for over 20 years therefore i can give you an expert answer. if you work as an acute care rn in the san francisco area you will be making $8,000 to $10,000 per month. just check the web sites of the major hospitals and you will read about how much they offer the rn's. of course if you are a new grad you will earn a little less, but if you have at least several years of acute care experience in the united states you will be making this much.

many of the acute care hospitals also offer sign-on bonuses to the tune of $5,000, and if you have recent icu experience or other specialties they will offer you up to $10,000 sign-on bonus.

someone posted that the high cost of housing in the sf bay area is a major negative factor in living here and i couldn't agree more. but the sf bay area is one of the most desirable places in the usa in which to live. there is cultural diversity, the climate is mild, food is great, there are lots of nice places to see and visit, etc. and there are many hospitals where nurses can apply for employment.

the state mandated nurse-to-patient ratio of 1:5 is going to be 1:4 come january 1st., 2008. if the hospitals in the state will abide the mandate remains to be seen though. the large hospital where i work has been hiring a lot of new rn's. i think nursing care will only get better with the improved staffing ratio.

yup, i heard that part of cali is very expensive, and personally, it doesn't matter if you make that much money and the cost of living is expensive. i don't have any dependents, ( just monthly mortgage ), i do not want to pay more taxes, so i guess i want to make "just right" amount of moolah every two weeks. i used to work in an acute setting as well, and we had 1:4 nurse patient ratio in medsurg stepdown telemetry. hawaii is expensive too, but i will not trade it for anything, we have a lot people from different background as well, great food, nicer, polite people, beautiful, clean warm beaches...i'm in the best place in the world!!! don't get me wrong i love california, being there for a week vacation every year is enough.