Philippines News August 30-Sept5 issue

paraw · Sep 4, 2006

if you want redemption, then:

-- close all schools that are below standard

-- format the board exams in such a way that you know competency is tested and not moral judgements

-- do the retake of the june 2006 exam asap

-- in exchange for 4 years of tuition, require all state and public medical schools to require a mandatory 2-year post-grad service to public hospitals and institutions to solve your brain drain. this includes all health related courses. state and public medical schools produce the best health professionals, this move alone should increase the quality of care patients recieve.

the statement only aggravates the situation. the dean should recheck her equation bec her solution is wrong.

Last edited by kalayaan : Yesterday at 05:25 AM.

I agree with kalaYaan with this set up, but kalayaan I would like also to ask you this question.

Does our president have politicalwill to do this? Remeber next year is election year!!!!!!!!

To also comment on other issues here.

YES the CHED Must close thoSE school which are not performing very well but remember too, that some of that school are owned by government officials as reported by bandila.....

PRC has quota, I guess 50% see statistics. I was not able to search in PRC website that 80-90% passed the NLE.

Bureaucracy indeed is not good.

As to dean tazon of UP... that US MUST NOT HIRE NEWLY GRAD NURSES BECAUSE OF COMPETENCY.... to her I guess as dean in my opinion, is not competent too because her new grad student are not competent.

To those who believe that there are DIPLOMA MILLS. PROVE IT HERE I STILL DARE YOU I WANTED FACTS NOT PURELY HERESAY....

caloy · Sep 4, 2006

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the student-nurses aren't exactly the target of the dean's drastic recommendation. sad to say, they're caught between this long overdue effort to clean up the system and the continued operation of substandard "nursing schools" (or whatever other businesses feeding on all our nurse-wannabees). these same students fuel such diploma mills in return for their american dream. so if the students who graduate from such schools are barred from employment in the u.s., then these sham of nursing schools will be drained of their 'fuel' and so die naturally. it's a painful process and a necessary evil. my hope remains that this process won't be long and tedious for the country to restore it's tarnished reputation in the profession. 2-3 years looks reasonable for the more permanent reward of quality and decency.

If the student-nurses aren't the target, who are the targets? The diploma mills? The schools?

I think most(if not all) of the people in this forum from the philippines would attest that this incident would not decrease the number of students who wants to take up nursing. The schools (or diploma mills) would not lose any business. These "corporations" would not lack of "fuel".

It would be the nurses and not the "diploma mills" who will suffer.

I agree that substandard schools should be expected to meet certain standards, but i can't imagine how the "dean's recommendation" would help in reform. - there are already a lot of suggestions on how to in this forum; so there is no need to repeat them -

caloy · Sep 4, 2006

The PNA, BON, and deans (by the way, there is ADCPN the association of deans of colleges of nursing) might not have the authority to enforce reforms; but they do have considerable weight or influence on policies. They could very well be catalysts for change if they choose to be. What asianrn wrote makes sense, sit down and agree (or at least try to) on what should be done and give their position/suggestions to CHED.

Would the dean of UP college of nursing release such a statement if she didn't have considerable influence?

kalayaan · Sep 4, 2006

I agree with kalaYaan with this set up, but kalayaan I would like also to ask you this question.

Does our president have politicalwill to do this? Remeber next year is election year!!!!!!!!

is this a question or a statement? we obviously know the answer for this. regardless the the election season, she will not do anything. im going to try not be be political here, as this is a nursing forum. all i will say is that she is getting away with it bec filipinos are too tired and too lazy and too scared to fight back. freedom of speech is confused with acts of sedition.

anyway, to go back to the nurses forum... the prc and the bon have the power to close down these schools.

our primary issue in this forum is about the hiring of new grads. should foreign hospitals hire new grads? if the new grads are qualified i say yes.

now resurfacing with this issue is the issue on the mushroom schools. if the bon keeps saying that students should only enrol in reputable school, then they should come out with the list of the so-called credible schools that they only recommend. when in fact all schools that are allowed to operate should be assumed to be credible, considering the standards that should be followed before one opens. why do you even make an issue of non-credible schools?

i bet u that they dont want to do this bec this would mean they would have to close those schools.

tantrum · Sep 4, 2006

The PNA, BON, and deans (by the way, there is ADCPN the association of deans of colleges of nursing) might not have the authority to enforce reforms; but they do have considerable weight or influence on policies. They could very well be catalysts for change if they choose to be. What asianrn wrote makes sense, sit down and agree (or at least try to) on what should be done and give their position/suggestions to CHED.
Would the dean of UP college of nursing release such a statement if she didn't have considerable influence?

Hospitals would do anything to get nurses rather than listen to a dean from a foreign school (your school does not matter once you are in the US).

THEY already had a technical committee last year who all resigned because the CHED refused all their recommendations (even the head of the CHED was replaced due to political pressure). NOthing will happen as long as they don't clean up and enforce their political will.

tantrum · Sep 4, 2006

format the board exams in such a way that you know competency is tested and not moral judgements
-- do the retake of the june 2006 exam asap
-- in exchange for 4 years of tuition, require all state and public medical schools to require a mandatory 2-year post-grad service to public hospitals and institutions to solve your brain drain. this includes all health related courses. state and public medical schools produce the best health professionals, this move alone should increase the quality of care patients recieve.

I think they put a lot of ambiguous/moral judgment questions in the NLE to prevent MDs from doing well but it backfired because it became a guessing game for everybody including the good regular Nursing students. If there is a passing quota of 50%, why the heck are they (BON) complaining about decreasing passing rate in the NLE compared to the 70's and 80's IF THEY are the same people determining the quota, IS IT JUST FOR A SHOW?

I really don't believe there is even a brain-drain as there are too many Nursing students and graduates nowadays. If the retrogression happens this year, there will be A LOT of unemployed nurses. The problem is they cannot even hire enough personnel as the govt and most hospitals will always complain of budget problems. Look at how many are willing to pay just to get clinical experience.

kendimann · Sep 4, 2006

OK..with all these talks,,,tell me, what are we NLE June 2006 takers suppose to do?!?!?! :madface: What will happen to us? Is America still going to accept us?! After four hard years of studying every concept that we need to know about nursing, it looks like that our hardships are going to put to waste!!!

suzanne4, RN · Sep 5, 2006

A big point that all of you are forgetting it that the Dean there does have clout over here due to the size of the Phillipine Nursing Assn, etc., and all oiver here are very aware of what is going on over there right now.

If there are no foreign hospitals willing to employ nurses from there, then you better believe that something will be done quickly to fix things. The govt there relies on nurses overseas sending home money, and if none can get work now, what is going to happen?

The hospitals as well as the HR people that I have been sepaking with and meeting with, are unwilling to touch a nurse from there until they retest first of all. They will not even consider them until that is done.

The other big issue is that several hospitals have been burnt by "nurses" that never did any clinical training during their supposed schooling. Unfortunately, I have come across a few nurses that did that, and it si downright scary, but of course, they manage to get to the US and get a green card. And then they quit. They really need to be deported home.

paraw · Sep 5, 2006

To KALAYAAN.

Pls be reminded that PRC is under the Office of the President. Which means that the president have power in dealing this issue if she warrants.

I guess Dean Tuazon should come out in the open and present her sentiments in media so that we will know the real score how to solve this current problem and not lobbying in US.

Yes, she has connections in the US in nurses association but also consider that the nurses associations in US have thier minds of thier own.

I really do agree to retake all, passed or failed. Why? So that the stigma will be erase and Persecution to those who are involved in this issue. I hope it will not be whitewashed.

kalayaan · Sep 5, 2006

To KALAYAAN.
Pls be reminded that PRC is under the Office of the President. Which means that the president have power in dealing this issue if she warrants.

the president will suspend, make a revamp, whatever. but she wont help take out low caliber schools. all im saying is that that president may not do anything else. the president may have the power but she wont use it. the prc/bon have the power but they wont use it. not unless the people of the republic of the philippines unite and remind that president and the world that filipinos should never be used and abused. but the people wont unite. everyone has their own private interests to look after. and the president is basking in glory bec she knows the people are uninterested. and again, this is not the forum for this discussion.

to those that took the june nle, ask for a retake now. dont complain. dont say its unfair. in america if you want to complain,u write a letter, u voice out your concerns. in the phils, if you complain about the president, youll be charged with sedition. so complain about the prc and the bon. complain to the dean of UP and tell her you hated what she said. wear a shirt that says 'retake now' or 'no to cheating'. put a white ribbon in your car. just do something. write and ask for a retake now. for your sake and for the sake of the future nle takers.

and for the future nle takers, you have to help the june 2006 takers. bec you guys are next.

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whammy78 · Sep 5, 2006

tantrum · Sep 5, 2006

Unfortunately, this issue has become politicized. Politicians are trying to ride this issue to get media mileage. Whatever the PRC decides, the damage has been done. Even if those 17,000 plus passers are innocent victims, the problem will still be more of perception rather than reality. PRC should have delayed the release of results and if certain parts are "tainted", ordered an immediate retake on those areas. I also believe that no amount of retake will help in the future unless they clean up the PRC,BON and the review centers.