NCSBN rules out Philippines as NCLEX site - page 5

just a sad update to other filipinos. american nurses' boards won't accredit rp grads this post is not meant to incite arguments, but to inform.... Read More

  1. by   lawrence01
    Quote from RNHawaii34
    that's still not possible. wether they have visas or not, no way you can take nle, and passed nclex-rn and get hired here in the U.S. for only 5 months? come on! this is too much!!
    Yes, it is near impossible. Unless, they are working under a tourist visa.

    It's illegal to do so but it's being done.

    There are many ways people do illegally just to get to work in the US. Their is the marry a U.S. citizen for a fee racket w/c is being done for decades and other similar rackets.

    Only way I can think of is that they are working w/ no valid documentation. Again, it's illegal but it is being done and on other professions and other workers as well.
  2. by   RNHawaii34
    Quote from lawrence01
    yes, it is near impossible. unless, they are working under a tourist visa.

    it's illegal to do so but it's being done.

    there are many ways people do illegally just to get to work in the us. their is the marry a u.s. citizen for a fee racket w/c is being done for decades and other similar rackets.

    only way i can think of is that they are working w/ no valid documentation. again, it's illegal but it is being done and on other professions and other workers as well.
    maybe. even an if you're an american citizen legally, there is no way you can get that u.s. rn license that fast. i do not want to stir an argument here. my point is that they better get their facts straight before printing it. if they really have to print names of those who made it here with legal paperworks? that will be reassuring, but no ways they can find that job fast. i mean, if they kept on printing news like this? you are just pushing those who took the june nle to do whatever, jump into anything illegal to get out of the country. hello? right now? there are many mean spirited people out there who will take an advantage of these new grads. they will offer then stuff, promises them a job that pays big salary, and they will end coming to the u.s., with no proper documentations, and the worse part is they will get paid less than what they should be earning.and in addition to that, they will risk themselves of getting deported, and maybe loose the chance to work in the u.s. that is what i am trying to point out.
  3. by   lawrence01
    Quote from rnhawaii34
    maybe. even an if you're an american citizen legally, there is no way you can get that u.s. rn license that fast. i do not want to stir an argument here. my point is that they better get their facts straight before printing it. if they really have to print names of those who made it here with legal paperworks? that will be reassuring, but no ways they can find that job fast. i mean, if they kept on printing news like this? you are just pushing those who took the june nle to do whatever, jump into anything illegal to get out of the country. hello? right now? there are many mean spirited people out there who will take an advantage of these new grads. they will offer then stuff, promises them a job that pays big salary, and they will end coming to the u.s., with no proper documentations, and the worse part is they will get paid less than what they should be earning.and in addition to that, they will risk themselves of getting deported, and maybe loose the chance to work in the u.s. that is what i am trying to point out.
    i'm with you. it's really up to them if they want to do it legally or otherwise. they know what they are doing. let them bear the consequences of their actions. unfortunately, these people don't care about the possible repercussions to others as long as they think they can get away w/ it.

    i doubt if they will print those 4 names as the legality of their status is questionable (if they even exist). let's just say for the sake of argument that those 4 have all the legal documents to work for whatever reason/s (have existing greencard, etc..); fact of the matter is they are only 4 out of how many thousands?
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Nov 4, '06
  4. by   K-Ann
    cgfns deniedthe visa screen application of one of my friends. she took nle this june, she passed but well, it was that nle. so its official. no visa screen till you do a retake.
  5. by   K-Ann
    [quote=rnhawaii34]
    Quote from pinoy_guy
    new nursing grads get jobs in us, uae, uk, australia
    http://newsinfo.inq7.net/inquirerhea...ticle_id=30314

    at least 4 members of this batch had been accepted by one or more us hospitals.


    it didn't make sense that these people took the nle in june 2006, passed nclex-rn and get hired here in the u.s. so soon. that's not possible. i graduated in october 2005, applied for nclexrn in january, got my att in may, passed nclexrn in june, but i got hired only in late aug. 2006..there are so many process that i had to go through to get my rn license, with the waiting period and everything..so, i don't beleive that the news is valid. whoever published that, you are very irresponsible, pls. get your all of your facts straight, don't write anything without any proof. you are giving these already confused, battered, new grads who worked their buns off for 4 years a false hope! :angryfire
    exact same thoughts here. i graduated march 2005, took nle june 2005, applied to ca bon october 2005, took cgfns november 2005, took ielts february 2006, recieved my visa screen april 2006 and was only hired may 2006, petition received by uscis june 2006, recieved my eligibility march 2006 but was able to sit for nclex on june because it was difficult to get a schedule. how in the world they were able to do all that in 5 months????? i did it in a year and i thought that was already fast.
  6. by   K-Ann
    Quote from pinoy_guy
    since it's been relayed to the philippine bon, and the bon is trumpeting it to everybody, then i would assume the 4 are working legally.

    otherwise i don't think the philippine bon could have access to such information.
    how were they able to do that? (same question over and over) how can they work that fast? my friend got her permit just last month, she applied right after she got her nclex result (im guessing june or july). she's still not working now. if what you're guessing is true, that they are already an immigrant, then the phil bon should not even be monitoring them. whats the use? just giving false hope to the rest who are still waiting here.
  7. by   pinoy_guy
    Quote from freeandsingle
    cgfns denied the visa screen application of one of my friends. she took nle this june, she passed but well, it was that nle. so its official. no visa screen till you do a retake.
    this is big news.

    can you post a text of what cgfns/ichp said in their letter?

    don't include the personal details like the name & cgfns/ichp number of the recipient for privacy reasons.

    from the cgfns news advisory, they just delayed release of the visascreen certificates pending a study if the nle is comparable to us exams.

    i think sending a copy of the letter to our bon will wake them up to the reality that their "solution" is not working on the cgfns/ichp people.


    Quote from freeandsingle
    how were they able to do that? (same question over and over) how can they work that fast? my friend got her permit just last month, she applied right after she got her nclex result (im guessing june or july). she's still not working now.
    it is possible.

    most people know the california time frame.

    there are a couple of other states which act fast. my friends got their licenses 2 weeks after passing the nclex.

    and there's the interim permit, if these 4 were from california.

    what i'm driving at is that it is possible to get an early nclex sked (if you take it in places other than hk...let's say us for the immigrants) and to get your us rn license in at most a month (faster if you provided the ssn--which an immigrant will have).


    Quote from freeandsingle
    if what you're guessing is true, that they are already an immigrant, then the phil bon should not even be monitoring them. whats the use? just giving false hope to the rest who are still waiting here.
    exactly.

    as i mentioned, i am assuming the former chair of the bon was acting with the best interests of our filipino nurses at heart. the bon members are supposed to be the epitome of the filipino nurse, the role model every filipino nurse aspires to be.

    it would be interesting if the reporters can get the names of the 8, and interview them.


    anyway, thanks for sharing that bit about the visascreen certificate.

    when more of this batch complain about not getting their vsc, i think the authorities would finally do something about it.
  8. by   suzanne4
    [quote=rnhawaii34]
    Quote from pinoy_guy
    new nursing grads get jobs in us, uae, uk, australia
    http://newsinfo.inq7.net/inquirerhea...ticle_id=30314

    at least 4 members of this batch had been accepted by one or more us hospitals.


    it didn't make sense that these people took the nle in june 2006, passed nclex-rn and get hired here in the u.s. so soon. that's not possible. i graduated in october 2005, applied for nclexrn in january, got my att in may, passed nclexrn in june, but i got hired only in late aug. 2006..there are so many process that i had to go through to get my rn license, with the waiting period and everything..so, i don't beleive that the news is valid. whoever published that, you are very irresponsible, pls. get your all of your facts straight, don't write anything without any proof. you are giving these already confused, battered, new grads who worked their buns off for 4 years a false hope! :angryfire
    i really wish that someone would go after the authors of these very misleading articles. there is no way at all that someone that took the exam in june and just graduated is now in the us working as an rn with their fellow nurses.

    passing the nclex-rn exam, does not give you automatic right to work in the us, and that is what this person is thinking. it is only the beginning of a long journey............and the nurse needs immigration approval as well. and funny thing is that i am sure that they do not have a valid visa screen certificate either.

    truly wish that some of you would start writing letters to the publishers of this garbage. they need to get their facts straight before writing, or start writing novels that do not affect others' lives. the problems that they are causing for some is distastsful at the very least. and they should be ashamed of themselves.
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    and now you can see why i do not beloeve one thing that comes out of the papers there, things change to fit the need.

    the issue is that if the nurse wishes to work in the us, they need to meet the us standards. period. and complete whatever the us wants them to do and do not put blame on the us.

    it is a privilege to work in the us, it is not a right that is automatically yours. you need to work to get to that, and be accepted.

    and a big shame on the person that does not know what they are talking about. getting a job offer based on passing the nclex exam, and actually getting thru the immigration process are completely two different things, but they do not know that.

  9. by   lawrence01
    I 2nd what Suzanne said.

    I'm not familiar for the req'ts for the SSN but some people I know that are already in the US claims to to be able to get a SSN and supposedly able to start to work just base on that.

    I think some people were able to get by because of a loophole somewhere.

    If this continues, I wouldn't be surprised if USCIS will soon require again that a visascreen cert. be submitted just to file for the I-140 petition. This is really how it is supposed to be if we can remember but USCIS relaxed this requirement and agreed to let the VSC be submitted to-follow.

    Now, this relaxed policy is obviously being abused and their is really no logistics excuse for not being able to get the VSC anymore. CGFNS and ICHP are now fully using courier service to give their certificates.

    ICHP actually started doing this (courier) months ago. CGFNS, likewise gives the results very quickly nowadays unlike before where it took them months just to release the results. So, no more excuse as far as an applicant not able to get their certificate from CGFNS or ICHP on time.

    And besides, the bottomline is: no VSC certificate --> can't stay in the U.S. for long.
  10. by   lawrence01
    I hope it is already clear that passing the NCLEX-RN exam or having your US nursing license does not guarantee that one can work legally in the US. It means absolutely nothing if one doesn't have the legal means to work and stay in the U.S. on a valid visa.

    We understand that their are certain BON that do not require the SSN to give you the license and some only require a waiver, such as Oregon, AZ, etc.. Having the license means absolutely nothing. If having a US nursing license and having a job offer is all that matters then what's the VSC for? Why go through w/ the I-140 petition (AOS or CP) if this is the case?

    Even persons who already have their EAD are not out of the woods yet. If their petition was denied or even when it was approved already and later revoked; that EAD is revoked as well. Why would someone be temporarily given a permission to work if the petition was already denied or revoked?? This is the same as someone who filed their I-140 and I-485 concurrently. If the I-140 was denied then the I-485 (AOS) is automatically denied as well.

    Remember, even persons who already have their greencards can still be deported if it was later found out that their was fraud committed in obtaining it.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Nov 6, '06
  11. by   suzanne4
    and look closely at what that person stated, the four or so passed the nclex-rn and were to join their friends soon in the us.

    they key thing is that passing the nclex-rn does not automatically guarantee that you will be in the us working, there is no mention that they went thru the ummugration process, nor even have a valid visa screen certificate.

    sorry, but the person that made that statement is clueless, and has never been to the us either. i am sure of that, nor do they know anything about immigration.

    and as i keep stating:

    working in the us is a privilege, it is not a right.
    passing the nclex-rn exam is not an automatic guarantee that the nurse will be permitted to work in the us.

    until you can show me actual proof that those nurses are now in the us working or have received a visa screen certificate, i will not believe one word of it, nor should any of you.

    getting very tired of all of these lies and lies and lies that keep getting made and the writers that potentiate all of it.

    facts are facts:
    1. not one vsc has been issued to anyone that has taken the june, 2006 nle exam.

    2. immigration takes more than a few months, ask anyone that is here and has gone thru the process.

    3. if they got a job offer and had the i-140 submitted, they would not even have approval of that as of yet.

    4. and if they did not already have an interview with a date set, then they do not have a visa and will be behind the retrogression.

    sorry, but i have major issues with garbage that comes out like this.:angryfire

    and this is to the writers of junk like this.
    check your facts first, and be able to substantiate them.
    :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire
  12. by   suzanne4
    Social Security Numbers are issued when the nurse has been given permission to work in the US and is in the US and applies for the number in person.

    It is never done by mail, and never when you are still overseas. You must show proof that you can work in the US and have a document to show for it. Just being in the US on a tourist visa, is just that. It permits you to travel in the US, it does not permit you to work.
  13. by   mmr2
    in some way, these people are actually cheating. i'm not surprised though...

    it's a good thing to see government agencies have taken actions and say no to these people.

    Quote from pinoy_guy
    just a sad update to other filipinos.

    american nurses' boards won't accredit rp grads

    http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?...ws5_oct26_2006



    this post is not meant to incite arguments, but to inform.

    the leakage issue had, and is continuing to have, an international effect.

    i want this as a call to action & prayers.

    the ncsbn heads have spoken.

    i hope we have the will to do what is right.

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