Phil RN's as LPN - page 2
To those who did not believe my reply to a post last time... Here are the facts: Filipino RN's who are NCLEX passers are recruited by Mercan agency. Due to reciprocity, they are able to work as... Read More
0Apr 24, '08 by Fiona59You'll be surprized. Many new grads are paired up with experienced PNs for their orientation on their first units.
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3Apr 24, '08 by Flipjlo_LPN_to_RNBSNFiona. Our labs teachers are teaching them some skills because they haven't done it the Philippines. for example catherization.
Purplehippo! you really don't understand what a LPN does don't you here in Alberta? they're scope of practice is in par with RNs but limited in some areas. and LPN are licensed practical NURSES! Norquest PN Program is basically the old RN diploma. like fiona69 said, we have our own patients, we administer meds, Start IV's, etc. LPN's works with RN's in the same units. RN's are not the bosses of LPN's they work collaboratively under a charge nurse. This isn't like the United States where LPN's are limited to limited duties. I'm in the PN program and later on bridge to BScN with experinece and you know what i have truly respect for LPN's especially our lab teachers who have been around! They can do whatever any RN can do. If you wanna read up the scope of practice go to the CLPNA website and it will have scopes of practices.
Furthermore, i have spoken with some of these Flilipino nurses. Some of them didn't even write the NCLEX exam and they cannot just work here a bit and move to the states. Some of them don't even want to go to the states. I don't know where you got this information?Last edit by Flipjlo_LPN_to_RNBSN on Apr 24, '08
4Apr 24, '08 by TheCommuter, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorQuote from purplehippoThe "N" in LPN stands for "Nurse." Whether they're practicing in the US or Canada, LPNs are nurses, as well as competent members of the healthcare team.Yup, all they undergo is an orientation, because they are all competent and equipped with skills as NURSES, not as LPN's...
0I never said RN's are bosses of LPN's. Sorry if you got that impression. I apologize about not having much information about LPN`s as I have said back home we don't even have LPN's... only RN's and NA's. Please take note that eventhough I lack information reagrding your practice, I used the ``word`` COLLABORATE? And I would for sure APPRECIATE the help from the LPN`s once I get to work.. And as I have said to Fiona59, I will get back to her once I learn more... I willl get back to you too Flipjlo LPN to RNBSN, no problem. Right now, that is not my priority, but for sure I will get back to you.
My friend who is an NCLEX passer who will be arriving tomorrow and work as an LPN said that Mercan agency prefers to hire Philippine RN`s that are NCLEX passers so they can easily work as LPN without writing the board exam. I got the information that they will be going to US eventually since so far, that`s what my friend said... Almost everyone who holds a US license will go work to US eventually. Well, if they took NCLEX, their primary goal is to be an RN in the US, not to ba an LPN in Canada or anywhere else. Ask THE NCLEX passers (if they will admit, good luck with that) not the ones WITHOUT the US RN...
2Apr 24, '08 by suzanne4Sorry, but I am not buying any of it, and the thought that Canada will permit one to work in the role of a licensed nurse without having passed the exam there is simply crazy. And without a license, be forewarned that one will not have malpractice insurance as a nurse and will be open to all types of lawsuits.
Guess that this wonderful agency did not tell anyone about that. any insurance company requires a license in that locale. And passing the NCLEX in the US does not meet the requirements for that. So if one gets sued, they will be losing everything including their visa, and could face criminal proceedings because in the eye of the patient, this person is not licensed in Canada, and I am sure that the attorneys would have a field day with it.
There are enough issues with skills right now from those that have trained in many of the programs in the Philippines and with clinical instructors that have never worked as well, but they are teaching how to do something. Not a good idea either.
If this is what medicine is coming to in Canada, that is not a good thing for the patients.
0(Please disregard my prior post. This is the one I am supposed to submit, thanks)
I never said RN's are bosses of LPN's. Sorry if you got that impression. I apologize about not having much information about LPN`s as I have said back home we don't even have LPN's... only RN's and NA's. Please take note that eventhough I lack information reagrding your practice, I used the ``word`` COLLABORATE? And I would for sure APPRECIATE the help from the LPN`s once I get to work.. I believe it is a team effort... end point: quality patient care.
Thanks for all the information of enlightening me. And as I have said to Fiona59, I will get back to her once I learn more... I willl get back to you too Flipjlo LPN to RNBSN, no problem. Right now, that is not my priority, but for sure I will get back to you.
My friend who is an NCLEX passer who will be arriving tomorrow and work as an LPN said that Mercan agency prefers to hire and is LOOKING FOR Philippine RN`s THAT ARE NCLEX passers so they can easily work as LPN without writing the board exam. I got the information that these NCLEX PASSERS will be going to US eventually since so far, that`s what my friend said...Evryone in her batch will be doing that. Stay for a year or as soon as the US application is approved, they can go to US. Besides, it is not unknown, some threads here even resented that fact. Almost everyone from the pool of nurses recruited by Mercan agency who holds a US license were advised to apply as LPN`s here in Alberta. If not all, almost will go work to US eventually. Well, if they took NCLEX, their primary goal is to be an RN in the US, not to be an LPN in Canada or anywhere else. Now, where are you from. Ask THE NCLEX passers recruited by Mercan agency working as LPN`s in Alberta if they will be going to US eventually (if they will admit, good luck with that) not the ones WITHOUT the US RN since for sure they will also follow the process as they are not covered with what they call reciprocity for NCLEX passers... The source of my information...my friend who openly admitted that after a year of working as an LPN, she will move to the US... and she said that everyone in her batch is planning to do just that!Last edit by purplehippo on Apr 24, '08
2Apr 24, '08 by suzanne4The US is under a retrogression so they are looking at five years for a chance at a visa. For anyone that is dumb enough to think that they will be in the US in just a year, I do have some swamp land that is for sale.
And to use Canada as a stepping stone is not what should be done either.
It is my personal opinion, and any that go to Canada with the purpose of getting to the US needs to rethink what they are doing.
Working as an LPN there is not the same as having experience as an RN and will not count as such. And since we are expecting immigration to require that experience, they will really be up a creek without a paddle.
0Apr 25, '08 by Fiona59Do these "nurses" understand that some LPNs make more on an hourly rate than some US RNs? Just read some of the posts around this place...
1Apr 25, '08 by purplehippoQuote from TheCommuterI agree.The "N" in LPN stands for "Nurse." Whether they're practicing in the US or Canada, LPNs are nurses, as well as competent members of the healthcare team.
In my opinion, since these NCLEX passers are trained as RN's, they should practice as RN's. If they want to practice as LPN's in Canada or anywhere else, they should follow the process, write the exam and obtain the license for LPN's like the others who studied and trained to become an LPN.
0Apr 25, '08 by Flipjlo_LPN_to_RNBSNI see your point but you know what? This was there last day at our school and discussed there situation. They are RN's in the PHIL. Yes that's a fact. But there education is not enough to be as a RN in Canada. Sure there great nurses, but they don't the education to be a RN in Canada. RN in Canada is more complex and its ever changing up here. anyways back to these recruitments. they never wrote the NClEX exam. They just had to take some sort of testing and screening but NOT a NCLEX-RN or NCLEX-PN .They said they been recruited by Captial Health by agency to work and fill the void in the region and not to be used to use Canada as a stepping stone to the states. Some have been recruited to Saskatchewan as well. This is why they got them here so they could fill the shortages that's is what they said if you don't believe me come here to my school and talk to them for yourself sorry for sounding mean but this is the fact
0Apr 25, '08 by purplehippoI am a Filipino RN and I am following the process of registering to write the boards here. If they want to be an RN here, they can also accept the fact that it it more complex here. They can be assessed the way I was and take courses etc in order to be recognized and eventually work as an RN.
I do not have to go there, as my friend's situation is enough proof. We have this email group where one can post to anyone publicly to anybody in the batch from the university. She was asked by someone how she got here in Alberta. You know what she said? After talking about being recruited by MERCAN AGENCY, etc etc... She said at the end: "Okay ito (in English it means: It's fine here) WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR OUR US APPLICATION TO BE APPROVED"
So again ask those recruited by MERCAN AGENCY, NCLEX PASSERS here in ALBERTA. That pool. Sorry for sounding mean too but my information? It is confined to those Filipino RN's, NCLEX passers recruited by MERCAN agency (I don't know about those from other agencies and those in other provinces) who recently came and easily can become an LPN without writing the board exam. THAT GROUP basically because that's where my friend belongs at that's what she says.
Again, of course those who did not take the NCLEX will not be under the reciprocity, THEREFORE they will have to go under the process of writing the board exam, etc etc...
If you still don't believe me I will give you the contact number of my friend, but I AM SURE she will not admit that to you nor to anyone. Who would anyway? Good luck with that!Last edit by purplehippo on Apr 25, '08