Demand for Nurses in Canada - page 3
Could somebody give me current info regarding the current demand of nurses in Canada and the usual requirements for foreigners before they are employed in a hospital. Do you happen to know how many Filipino nurses are currently... Read More
- 3Aug 22, '08 by chinkyhi to everyone,
In my own opinion, Its not an issue if let's say for example you worked in UK as a nurse and wants to move on somewhere better like Canada or US, as long you were good at your job and you have no obligation to stay.
Regardless of your race or ethnicity, a person has a right to find a place where they feel safe and secure both financially and physically.
It has long been said and its getting quite redundant repeating that living in the PI and working as a nurse is difficult. But I know for a fact that there are those nurses who worked abroad and went back home to help and uplift the nursing profession after they had European/American experience.
It is not just nurses here in PI who wanted to have a better chance abroad, many who are helpless with the Government and how it runs our country wants to have a chance of working and living in a country where taxes really goes to people (ex: Although Canada has a high tax, at least you know you are not gonna pay much in case your sick, they have great health insurance benefits)
Fiona and cocoy,
I absolutely agree, Mediocrity in our profession is something that cannot be tolerated, though there are some people who sees PI as a kind of a puppy mill for nurses, I can only speak for myself and say that I am not one of those...
Bottom line, let's not stereotype, doesn't matter who you are, where you've been and what's the color of your skin its still what you do and how you care that defines you as a nurse and as a person...
- 2Aug 22, '08 by mctina_20Quote from cocoy2goThe truth hurts isn't it?
why?.. do you feel hurt of something you are not guilty of?... because i dont.
we are quite happy and contented of where we are and the people we are working with - and so are hundreds of other Filipino nurses here in Canada. in my opinion this is the main reason why people stay or go.
anyway - best regard to ur wife.
- 3Aug 22, '08 by felisaCocoy2go and Fiona, you say you have worked in the UK before. But for some reason you decided to leave and come to Canada. Was this because Canada was better than the UK for you? Aren’t we all looking for some place where we feel that we are secure - be it Canada or the US or some other country? It happens to any nationality, not just to Filipinos. If you read some more of the threads here, you’ll find that there are also home grown Canadian nurses who are leaving the country to work in the US. Please do not single out Filipinos just because a lot of them are asking questions in the forum. They are only trying to weigh out their options and find their own secure place.
So there are a lot of nurses from the Philippines. Maybe it IS because of $$$. Although the country is rich in natural resources and a popular tourist destination, it can not be denied that it is still a third world country and life is difficult for some Filipinos. But the fact remains that the US, Canada, UK, Australia, NZ, Singapore, etc have a shortage of nurses which Filipinos are willing to fill up.
Everyone has a right to decide what is best for him/herself. Some like Canada, some do not. Some like the US, others do not. And on it goes with the other countries. Like others nationalities, they may move from one country to another in search for greener pastures, but they do not intend to put down any country whenever they relocate. They fill up the shortages. Some move on if it doesn’t work for them but others choose to stay.
Please do not generalize what you hear or learn about a few nurses. There are thousands and thousands of Filipino nurses being deployed to different countries. You only got to meet a few.Last edit by felisa on Aug 22, '08
- 0Aug 22, '08 by Fiona59I have never stated that I worked in the UK. I have lived around the UK and Europe due to my husband's line of work.
Canada is a country made up of immigrants who have chosen to make their lives and their childrens futures here. But not have discussed their desire to use this land as a stepping stone for entry into the US as vocally as the nurses in the Phillippines forum.
Don't put words in my mouth.
- 0Aug 22, '08 by Ginger's MomUS or UK does not have a nursing shortage, both and limited immgration to almost nothing.
First impressions are critical. When the first question one asks about a home country is how much money one can make, it gives the impression one only cares about money. Not the people, not nursing or the community.
I am sorry your home country is bad, but to make a community a good one, it takes work. A good citizen has to participate in the community. When the impression is only how much money one can earn, it brings a very taste in my mouth. Most employers value employees who are committed employemt at their institution. Awards are given for length of employment. When an employer employes you it is with the hope it will be a lasting relationship, something like a marriage. You don't enter a marriage with the attitude to leave when a better mate comes along.
- 5Aug 22, '08 by Silverdragon102, RN AdminI have only just started the process with Nova Scotia board of nursing but I can say moving here was worth it and I will be looking for work and haven't even thought about pay although I do hope I get paid something for my experience. It doesn't help when we hear vocally from people that they are only using some countries as a stepping stone to the US. I have heard it when in the UK that they only came to the UK to improve their English skills before continuing to the USA and that did get to me because I knew how much money the hospitals put into bringing the nurses over including their families. Unfortunately it will not stop but would be nice if people wasn't so vocal about it. They should use it to enhance their experiences and they never know they may enjoy the move to a new country and forget about the USA. I know we have
- 2Aug 22, '08 by felisaSo you didn’t work in the UK. But you must have weighed and considered several things before you decided to leave your country and find better opportunities in another.
Just because one is poor and want better income does not mean that he is incapable of caring or making a better community. We do know about what employers value. And we know about commitment. In our country we are also given awards for length of employment. That is precisely why you should not generalize when you hear a few nurses who talk about making stepping stones out of countries. I am only saying that these nurses are just trying to find a better future and I don’t think they mean any harm to one country when they leave and find better opportunities eslewhere. If they are more vocal than other nationalities, it doesn’t mean that others are not doing it as well.
- 6Aug 23, '08 by Pedi-GreeIt's true that there are other individuals and even groups who do things like this, but they're not quite as obvious about it. I worked with a nurse, another Canadian, who took a job in our unit only to gain experience in a certain facet of what we do. She was planning to leave after a year, but never gave our management any clue about it. They, and the rest of the nurses on the unit, thought she was there for the long haul. When she handed in her resignation 11 months into her employment, everybody was stunned - except me. I had been watching her and the kinds of assignments she insisted on (to the point of having a tantrum when, while on orientation she wanted a patient who would only be assigned to our most senior nurses and wouldn't back down until the assignment was changed) and how she kept herself separate from everybody else during breaks and didn't enter into social conversations. I knew she had an agenda. Her actions caused people to feel disrespected and betrayed. They felt like they'd been used and I have to agree. They were.
I don't think anyone would argue that getting ahead and making a good living are intrinsically bad goals. What they're upset about is the idea that they're being used to further someone else's agenda without any consideration of how it will impact on them when the person moves on. Units where there have been significant numbers of people who have done that will develop a dislike for the whole process, and who can blame them for making their opinions known?
Commitment and community never enter into this sort of thing. There is no commitment if you take a job with the intention of leaving once you've gotten what you want out of it, and why bother getting involved in the community if you're not staying? How are the people who have welcomed you with open arms and tried to make the transition easier for you supposed to feel when you turn your back and move on? It eventually becomes like a form of aversion therapy.
Someone else here has said that Canada is a nation of immigrants, and that's very true. Other than the aboriginals here, everyone has come from somewhere else. My own ancestors came here in the 1800s from the UK, Scandinavia and eastern Europe. They left behind parents, siblings, friends and all that was familiar and comfortable, and they didn't have long-distance, text-messaging, webcams or high speed internet to help them stay in touch. My great-grandfather left behind a wife and daughter who refused to accompany him across the ocean until he got himself set up, and then his wife died before he could send for her. His daughter married and remained in England. But he never turned his back on his adopted country and neither did the rest. They made their homes, lives and livelihoods here; they fought in both World Wars for Canada and were glad to do it. They helped open up the west to the future and we're very proud of that. They came and they stayed.
If you're coming to Canada to make a lot of money and then move on to 'greener pastures' you will just have to accept the reactions that come with it. No matter where you're from originally.
- 0Aug 24, '08 by purple_ylemH'lo. I'm also planning to work as a nurse in Canada and stay there for good. I agree with Libie...most Filipino nurses plan to make Canada as their stepping stone to the US. But I believe that it's a great country with one of the best health care systems in the world, and so if you're an internationally educated nurse and you get the chance to practice there, more often than not, you'd stay for good in beautiful Canada.