Canadian nursers leaving to work in the USA. - page 3

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I am a 2nd year nursing student in British Columbia. My concern is that so many nurses are leaving to work in the US (5,400 Ontario nurses). We are losing trained nurses and this may result in a worse shortage than we already... Read More


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    A friend of mine moved back to Canada a few months ago. She talks of disorganization, nurses not practicing to standards, lack of equipment, and docs not willing to come in for their patients. The nurses at her hospital actually defibrillated a guy half a dozen times in one night and the doc STILL refused to come in.

    Plus when I look around on visits they are still just hiring per diem staff or 0.4 positions (which inevitably get downsized to 0.2). Who needs that kind of stress? Plus they pay equivalent money in Canada as I get here- that's a 30% pay cut with the exchange rate, and 10% more with extra taxes.

    I remember how I was treated while I was there and coming in on a moment's notice to help out. My coworkers were excellent, they treated me as a full fledged staff member. But the thrill of seeing my name on a regular schedule has not yet faded, plus I am asked to participate in decision making here. In Canada our unit had 5 nurse managers in 6 years, and it was a full year before I could pick out the last one, because she was holed up in meetings. In the USA I was introduced to ALL the managers and the DON within a couple of days, and they remembered my name!

    I do my best to help them out in a crunch, and in return I get the vacations, or assignments I am interested in, within reason. It's not all sunshine, but at least everyone is doing their best for our patients, and the staff.
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    Quote from epg_pei
    I listened (eavesdropped) the other day as a 4th year student narrated a letter she was writing (recipient unknown) discussing the current shortage. She talked about whether the shortage was genuine or a fiction of the media and governments. She asked why, when governments talk of nursing as a way to return something to our communities, do they make it so difficult for new nurses to do so. Nothing but part-time positions available in our province for new grads, as I understood her to say. Her frustration was more and more evident as she reviewed her letter. I am considering my own future, even though I am only in the 2nd year of my program. Do I want to return to my own province, at the age of 40, to work part-time paying off a student loan and rebuilding the RRSP I will have depleted? No. Does the idea of a full-time job in another province/state sound appealing? Hell yes! As the other poster said, "No sympathy here."
    Well I guess the United States is not so bad after all. The government will pay off your loan here and give you a job with decent benefits. Maybe it's time for a change.
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    Quote from RN Student-NIC
    I am a 2nd year nursing student in British Columbia. My concern is that so many nurses are leaving to work in the US (5,400 Ontario nurses). We are losing trained nurses and this may result in a worse shortage than we already have. How do you feel about this trend?
    I have had great experiences working in the US. I have done research and been aware of pitfalls. So much depends on where you go and your expectations.
    I found I was treated as an asset and not as a cost in the US.
    Canada has to realize our value and start treating us with more respect. The working conditions in Toronto suck, which is why I am going back to the US in April.
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    I currently work in both places, Alberta and Montana. I wanted to work in the U.S. in order to somehow avoid strike measures in Alberta. NO resolution there yet either. Lets face it, when you are hired in the states you are wanted. THEY WANT YOU! and usually are appreciative to have you. The pay may not be what it is in Alberta, but figure the exchange rate and its pretty even. On a nightshift you have 5-6 patients not 15. They have a union here in Montana and are in contract negotiations as well.
    I graduated 15 years ago and there weren't any jobs in B.C., so I went to Texas with a full-time job and recieved 3 month orientation and sign-on bonus and relocation bonus'. Now in Canada it seems we are just happy to have a job.
    Okay, I'm off my soapbox

    Keeping warm in Montana
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    Quote from RN Student-NIC
    Thanks fergus51, canoehead, and epg-pei.
    Your comments are appreciated.

    Any ideas what could be changed to keep nurses in Canada?

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    RN Student-NIC
    Hi

    I worked in Canada from 1996-2001 and my student loans are paid. I left to work in a specialty area and to make more money. I got 12 weeks paid training and continued education, the ratios are better, I was even given benefits even for a part-time position. You can't get that in Ontario - not to mention they actually have full time position with fully paid benefits including orthodontics and a employer funded 401K.
    Canada needs to wake up and smell the Tim Hortons!
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    Quote from fergus51
    Just be careful of where you go, there are a LOT of American nurses being treated like crap as well.
    :chuckle Yes that's so true. Especially in West Virginia!
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    Just to let you all know, the Ontario government may be getting the message. They have added millions over the last few months specifically to increase the numbers of full-time nurses. In our small (190 beds)community hospital this will translate into 8 full-time RN jobs as well as 9 non-clinical jobs to help nurses stay at the bedside and stop doing things like emptiing linen bags and doing clerical work. So maybe there is hope??
    My understanding is that we are aiming for at least 70% of RN's to be full-time.
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    It is funny how the nurses from the UK are coming to Canada and the US and the US nurses are wanting to come to Canada and the UK. Some people here in the US are willing to forgo the pay and the perks of working here so that they can have the way of life that is offered in the UK and Canada.

    The US way of life is not that popular with the Americans at the moment and it has been on a steady decline for the past 10 yrs.

    Many fellow nurses talk about if they could they would pack up and leave the country in a heartbeat.

    I keep hearing how the provinces outside of BC and Ontario are the way to go for nursing.

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    If not for the current government, I would be in BC. I LOVE it there. More than any place on earth (and I have lived in more than a few places over the years!).

    But until they get it together, I am off to the US again, then who knows? Ireland? Scotland? The world is my oyster, whatever that means
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    hi guys,i am an r.n here in MB and i am new to the site.i work in cardiology for over a year now and i find that there are too much politics involved here.i am actually fr. another country and earned ny b.s.n. there.i am working in th biggest hospital here in manitoba and yet my ward is dissolving in a couple of months.they are transferring our cabg's and cardiology in a smaller hospital bec.they were granted bigger budget.that is why most of my co workers are planning to go to the states.staffing is so bad in here too.we are usually short staffed and of course overworked.they wont even pay for missed breaks which is caused by lack of staff relief.i am actually in the process of looking for a job in the states.any suggestions?i just want to find a good place for my family of 3 kids and a good hosp.to work and provide me with better training and work condition.how do i get started?any reply will be appreciated.thanx.


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