Didn't get into new grad program - what next? - page 2
So I didn't get into my new graduate program (no surprise, I KNEW I stuffed the interview up!) and so now I am looking at nursing jobs... and they all require experience. The only places that... Read More
1Oct 21, '13 by ceridwyn GuideAre you Australian? When you start talking about a hospital floor, Aussies immediately think of the floor literally
Will wards of hospitals take you on, not sure at the moment, some country/regional areas that are not so inundated with applications most likely will take you on. It seems to be the right place at the right time.
The history of the grad year is this: when nursing education went to universities it was to be a 4 year degree (like other health professions and free. The government however wanted nurses churned out quickly and did not want to pay for the extra year. So the graduate year was brought in, so that new graduates had the right to say, sorry cannot do, I am a graduate, clinical instructors where put in place in hospitals so there is lots of support, so yes it is important to do the grad year.
The big city hospitals however are asking for nurses that have completed an graduate year before considering them for a position. This is not the criteria, but with so many locals looking for jobs and the inundation from overseas they are picking and choosing. Nurses with no experience from overseas are not safe, it is a different culture, health system, different medications/names, different way doctors order ivs (RN in Australia do everything including IV therapy, mixing antis this is one way of making sure nurses are safe to practise independently with much support when they need it. If you have not got experience as new nurse in own country then it will be doubly hard to be a nurse with confidence and and safe practise in a new country.
Victoria still has vacant positions being advised on the PMVC? site, though they now have got the criteria that you must be a citizen or have pr visa, even if you manage to do 6 months in a subacute/acute position is enough to lay foundations for applying in the future.
So the answer to your question, officially no, you do not have to do a grad year before being considered for other positions, but if you want the big acute hospital,, they are asking for it. If you are from overseas, yes definitely, you must have experience in own country, before agencies or hospitals are going to employ you, even on working visa.
BTW orientation in Australian hospitals is usually 3 days.Last edit by ceridwyn on Oct 21, '13
0Oct 24, '13 by aklgap, BSNI would also suggest you write to your local MP. I am a nurse in NZ and new graduates are also having problems finding jobs here. However, we also still allow a good number of experienced nurses to immigrate here. The truth is that it costs a good of money to train a new nurse under the current system, but an experienced nurse will actually pay a good deal of money and immediately contribute to the economy to immigrate. As previously stated, there is no real shortage of nurses in Australia and NZ at the moment, but there will be in a few years. There is also a myth out there that there is a shortage of nursing educators. However, many nurses who are qualified educators are not able to obtain jobs as they lack experience. Unfortunately, nursing lacks a unified voice (as opposed to other professions) and we are our own worst enemies.
0Dec 3, '13 by joe_mulligan88Quote from ceridwynI knew you were biased towards all people trying to immigrate to aus. In the US we welcome everyone its a melting pot for a reason. Change is good. As I've talked with Australian people before (and traveled as a student ambassador to Australia) US nurses don't need a bridging program and you insist on telling everyone that asks they do. So stop please, stop misinforming people. We are trying to leave this place! LolFrom my observation and experience, many of the Victorian hospitals have mid-year intakes....and they will take you on before this as a new grad....a new grad program is a program that has set times, education etc. Hospitals can do this for new grads without being in the program.
Its about time the unions and government look at this, as Australia is not short of nurses without experience. We are also not short of nurses, ready and willing, to go back to nursing after having families, but cannot afford the 10,000 course, that the government will not pay,.....but it is easier and cheaper to pay a nurse from overseas grade 2 year 1 pay and pay for the visa application.
We need to start fostering our own educated nurses and give them a big chance first, without the worry of not finding a job at the start of their career and continue their career after child raising duties that Australian women take as their duty only and leave nursing for the 7-8 years, and then cannot re register as a nurse, without an expensive program, such as the bridging programs that the government will not pay for and it is difficult to get any sholarships for these days.
....any hospital or aged care facility, that dares approach immi with a 457 visa to sponsor an overseas nurse without any experience or experience 4-5 years ago needs a big no, please explain.....have you advertised for 6 months, where how and why cannot you find a local first. How does the experience of this nurse is better than a local., Sorry, just a rant, but I can see where all this ends, in a big circle... and local nurses still will not be encouraged and fostered to remain in industry,
The ""Australian Way""- welcome everyone, without consideration for locals and local resources, IMHO
1Dec 3, '13 by ceridwyn GuideI appreciate your opinion, at no time have I said that nurses from the US need a bridging course, only if they were educated in one of the countries not mentioned in the ANMAC criteria and have not worked for 3 months in the countries that Australia excepts education, if you have been educated not in one of these countries and have not worked 3 months in one of those countries, then a bridging course is required.
A nurse educated in the US and has 5 years secondary education plus degree in english in one of the countries mentioned does not do bridging or english test, exempt, does not require, nil. and yes, Australian graduate nurses should be given graduate postions before any other nurse, they have debts to pay and have been educated towards the Australian health system, have experienced all the lives first hand.....the ANMF Australian, Nursing and Midwifery Federation, endorse this completely and have been constantly lobbying the government to restrict 457 visas so that local graduates, are given a chance at work first.
Every country strives to foster and grow their own local nurses first.
What is the best idea for Australian nursing then? to farm out our nursing education overseas as well, like call centres, more local jobs lost,, no nursing academia happening in Australia then once finished come to Australia for the Graduate year.....Oh my...
I think Australia with such a small population does a pretty good job at being multicultural, and those local nurses that I am being accused of being baised towards! are usually sons and daughters or grandchildren of immigrants from India, Phillipines the UK, China, Malaysia, Iran, Sri Lanka etc etc. as well as we are trying foster and encourage people who are indigenous into the health system LOL.Last edit by ceridwyn on Dec 3, '13
0Dec 4, '13 by joe_mulligan88So what about new immigrants you don't want them to get a job? visas aren't horribly expensive I was planning on paying for my own i didnt think they would up an sponsor anyone. So what ceridwyn? you wanna stick me in Papua New Guinea with all those people trying to seek "asylum" in Oz? Is that who i am to you? Listen so your saying that theres an equal right to work? so if i pay for my visa and my move, become a citizen cause i have traveled around and thats where i want to live that i have to be passed on a job because Im new? well im glad your not making decisions and qualifications is most likely the deciding factor. Maybe this is a thing in america, but sweetie you may have lived there you whole life but your family once immigrated there too (like we are trying) and if my qualification gets me a job (which is why Im getting exp from a lvl 1 trauma hospital in a big inner city) then why wouldn't you want me on your floor helping save lives at that point its a factor of trying to work together.
0Dec 4, '13 by joe_mulligan88And im from Detroit, so to say i want outsourcing is a ridiculous notion. Bringing workers in (i know you say you have enough) but you can never have enough in todays economy, is what our governments are just trying to do, more citizens, thats the game isnt it? more people more money bigger economy? Listen all im saying is most quotes i read from you seems biased, im just confronting you on it. Im not saying your a bad person, I just putting another point of view out there. We have the same problems over here, its no different. And i have to work just as hard, and bring just as much money as your complaining about, 10k, in the bank. Plus my visas, moving exp. etc... im expecting to spend 20k in Australia off the bat. So no outsourcing is not what Im saying, ive seen it ruin economies local/state/feds. And you know what ive noticed is that those who are "immigrants" usually work very hard, at least over here, they dont have that self entitled attitude most citizens have.
2Dec 7, '13 by Silverdragon102, RN AdminEach country has their own requirements and job issues. We know the US is having many nurses struggling for work, we know the UK is going through lots of issues and I am sure there are many issues in Australia and not all that we are aware of. We can politely debate things but please respect each other and no personal attacks.
Immigration to any country is not cheap and I haven't always seen immigrants work harder than locals, what I do see is some people have a good work ethos and others don't
2Dec 7, '13 by Esme12, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorCeridwyn is knowledgeable in the immigration process to AU. I would heed their advice. Immigration to many countries, including the US, has become increasingly difficult in the present poor global economy. While experience will be considered and help you stand out from the pack it is no guarantee that you will be granted entry to the country to work.
Many countries have tightened their work entry boarders. I believe the US has almost a 10yr waiting period right now.
0Jan 21, '14 by SahayaI am the best example -- I didn't get into any new graduate program, and I've been trying to apply to hospitals for a year now and all my applications are unsuccessful. Most hospitals require one-year experience (how can I have one when I'm not given a chance??? grrrr). Anyway, the point is, it can be very competitive out there and if you are a fresh grad, chances are somebody else will hold better qualifications than you have...getting into new graduate is still the best option, that's my opinion. Currently, I am working in Aged Care, but my passion is somewhere along the lines of pain management in Cancer Care or Burns...I know I have the ability and have future plan of further education, but without any hospitals giving me a chance due to 'technicality' (I have no new grad, and all I have is an Aged Care experience)...I just don't know how I can make my dreams happen. I obtained my qualifications from a good Australian university...ALL SUCCESSFUL NEW GRADUATE RNs SHOULD HAVE A GO AT A PLACEMENT IN NEW GRAD PROGRAMS. Seems impossible that with the several 2nd, 3rd, 4th... choices you've indicated in the application you can't get a spot...it's just difficult to comprehend how they can't take in everyone. I keep hearing we still have nursing shortage... ... ... sorry, can't help but vent ... I am a bit stuck right now...Last edit by Sahaya on Jan 21, '14 : Reason: Reply intended for Studentnurse1985