Religion Needed to be a Good Nurse? - page 8

We just covered a spiritituality/religion lesson in our BSN course and the instructor (religious) came out and said good nurses had spirituality and would be there for whatever spiritual needs the PT... Read More

  1. Visit  LovelyLady01 profile page
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    You can be a spritual or religious person with out following a certain type of religion. I dont think that you have to be either of these to be a good nurse. I do think it helps you understand people and their feelings while you are caring for them. I dont think the patients would notice which one you were as long as they are provided with the best care possible. There are too many people these days claim to belong to a certain religion but dont practice what they preach.
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    I appreciate your 2 cents and your common sense. I also try to live my beliefs and respect those that I beleive to be "dead wrong." Sometimes it's all I can do to keep from laughing because some are so "unbelievable!"

    Me too. Especially televangelists. They are so funny and dead wrong they are downright entertaining.
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    Off topic, but there are Christians who do not believe in the exclusive rightness of Christianity. I was raised going to UU church, which was founded as a Christian church and many members would still call themselves Christian, but the "universalist" part of UU means that a person would not be denied salvation or heaven or whatever simply because they didn't believe in Jesus.
    I live in the "Bible Belt" and as far as I know all the denominations that make up the Christian religion accept Christ as the son of God, and believe he is our only way to salvation. (I have been to multiple samplings of Methodist, Baptist, Southern Baptist, Catholic, and non-denominational Christian Churches)

    Isn't this what would make a CHRISTian different than a Jewish follower or an Islamic follower???? If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, how can you call yourself a CHRISTian???
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    Quote from asoldierswife05
    I live in the "Bible Belt" and as far as I know all the denominations that make up the Christian religion accept Christ as the son of God, and believe he is our only way to salvation. (I have been to multiple samplings of Methodist, Baptist, Southern Baptist, Catholic, and non-denominational Christian Churches)

    Isn't this what would make a CHRISTian different than a Jewish follower or an Islamic follower???? If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, how can you call yourself a CHRISTian???
    You can be a universalist and still believe in Christ as your savior. The UU church's universalist stance developed partly because of God's overwhelming love being described again and again in the Bible, along with Christ's messages of love and forgiveness. If we have an unconditionally loving father, would he damn someone for eternity simply for not saying "Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation" when they were living? In my heart, that doesn't make sense and it didn't make sense to them either. They believed that everyone would be saved in the end. Their way to salvation can be through their belief in Christ, that's their personal path and what makes them call themselves Christian. But that doesn't mean they believe a jew or muslim would be sent to hell simply for being a jew or muslim.

    The simple fact is no Christians actually believe or follow all of his teachings. If it was that simple, there would be only one Christian church. People who believe that Christ is the only way to salvation usually say so because of Christ basically saying the only way to God was through him. Universalists would argue that point. It does make them seen as heretics by some, but they would argue that all Christians read the Bible and interpret what God wants. It isn't black and white, especially when you take the historical perspective that the Bible has been translated, retranslated, passed down, etc. for 2 thousand years. If everything in the Bible should be taken literally, you'd have to cut off your hand if you sinned with it. (Matthew 18:8-9 (Mark 9:43-47)
    "And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life maimed or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire). No Christian I know would argue that should be taken literally. They would say, well Jesus said a lot of other things that outweigh that and he often spoke in parable and metaphor, etc. Universalists take that same view to the statement that people only reach God through Christian worship in life.

    Does that make any sense? I'm no religious scholar, and those are just the beliefs of one church as I understand them. Today's UU church actually teaches more and more that religion is a personal path. You can believe in Christ as your savior and be welcome in that church (and their sermons are usually heavily reliant on Christianity), as long as you don't hold the view that everyone else is damned unless they believe what you believe. It's not a church geared towards fire and brimstone at all. People of other faiths are also welcome there, again as long as they hold certain beliefs.
    Last edit by fergus51 on Nov 5, '05
  6. Visit  nurse4theplanet profile page
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    Quote from fergus51
    You can be a universalist and still believe in Christ as your savior. The UU church's universalist stance developed partly because of God's overwhelming love being described again and again in the Bible, along with Christ's messages of love and forgiveness. If we have an unconditionally loving father, would he damn someone for eternity simply for not saying "Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation" when they were living? In my heart, that doesn't make sense and it didn't make sense to them either. They believed that everyone would be saved in the end. Their way to salvation can be through their belief in Christ, that's their personal path and what makes them call themselves Christian. But that doesn't mean they believe a jew or muslim would be sent to hell simply for being a jew or muslim.

    The simple fact is no Christians actually believe or follow all of his teachings. If it was that simple, there would be only one Christian church. People who believe that Christ is the only way to salvation usually say so because of Christ basically saying the only way to God was through him. Universalists would argue that point. It does make them seen as heretics by some, but they would argue that all Christians read the Bible and interpret what God wants. It isn't black and white, especially when you take the historical perspective that the Bible has been translated, retranslated, passed down, etc. for 2 thousand years. If everything in the Bible should be taken literally, you'd have to cut off your hand if you sinned with it. (Matthew 18:8-9 (Mark 9:43-47)
    "And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life maimed or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire). No Christian I know would argue that should be taken literally. They would say, well Jesus said a lot of other things that outweigh that and he often spoke in parable and metaphor, etc. Universalists take that same view to the statement that people only reach God through Christian worship in life.

    Does that make any sense? I'm no religious scholar, and those are just the beliefs of one church as I understand them.
    It is very confusing. I accept all religions but I have a hard time accepting the fact that some UU members do NOT believe in Christ, but still call themselves a "Christian". To me it seems a little hipocritical, you know? Yes, not all of the Bible's teachings are taken literally, like the eye for an eye, but the New Testament is based off the teachings of Jesus Christ...how can you be a Christian if you don't believe he even existed...seems like you would miss many of the teachings the entire religion is based upon. Yes, there will be different interpretations even between the various Christian denominations, but the acceptance of Jesus Christ as son of God and Savoir is a fundamental teaching/truth within the values of the Christian Religion. I am just confused and astounded by this new knowledge. I had never heard of a Universalist before...I will have to look into it more to understand better. Knowledge is power you know.
  7. Visit  fergus51 profile page
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    Here, I found the much simpler version on the web:

    http://www.uua.org/aboutuu/uufaq.html#christian
    Are Unitarian Universalists Christian?

    Yes and no.

    Yes, some Unitarian Universalists are Christian. Personal encounter with the spirit of Jesus as the christ richly informs their religious lives.

    No, Unitarian Universalists are not Christian, if by Christian you mean those who think that acceptance of any creedal belief whatsoever is necessary for salvation. Unitarian Universalist Christians are considered heretics by those orthodox Christians who claim none but Christians are "saved." (Fortunately, not all the orthodox make that claim.)

    Yes, Unitarian Universalists are Christian in the sense that both Unitarian and Universalist history are part of Christian history. Our core principles and practices were first articulated and established by liberal Christians.

    Some Unitarian Universalists are not Christian. For though they may acknowledge the Christian history of our faith, Christian stories and symbols are no longer primary for them. They draw their personal faith from many sources: nature, intuition, other cultures, science, civil liberation movements, and so on.
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    Quote from asoldierswife05
    It is very confusing. I accept all religions but I have a hard time accepting the fact that some UU members do NOT believe in Christ, but still call themselves a "Christian". To me it seems a little hipocritical, you know? Yes, not all of the Bible's teachings are taken literally, like the eye for an eye, but the New Testament is based off the teachings of Jesus Christ...how can you be a Christian if you don't believe he even existed...seems like you would miss many of the teachings the entire religion is based upon. Yes, there will be different interpretations even between the various Christian denominations, but the acceptance of Jesus Christ as son of God and Savoir is a fundamental teaching/truth within the values of the Christian Religion. I am just confused and astounded by this new knowledge. I had never heard of a Universalist before...I will have to look into it more to understand better. Knowledge is power you know.
    UU members who don't believe in Christ would not call themselves Christian. I don't, because I don't have 100% belief in his divinity. SOME members do believe in Christ's divinity 100% and call themselves Christian. They just don't think I'm destined to burn in hell for not thinking the same as them. Some congregations are almost all Christians, others are very diverse. Even the non-Christians like me can look to Jesus for guidance.
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    Quote from fergus51
    UU members who don't believe in Christ would not call themselves Christian. I don't, because I don't have 100% belief in his divinity. SOME members do believe in Christ's divinity 100% and call themselves Christian. They just don't think I'm destined to burn in hell for not thinking the same as them. Some congregations are almost all Christians, others are very diverse. Even the non-Christians like me can look to Jesus for guidance.
    Yes, I visited the site right after I posted I am a habitual learner...

    It clarified a lot of questions I had. I would think it perfectly fine for a UU member to call themselves Christian if they accept the divinity of Christ, and those who do not should refer to themselves in another form, such as child of God or something, just out of respect for those who are Christians, IMO.

    As far as salvation, I do believe in the orthodox Christian teachings and Have accepted Christ as My only salvation...but I try not to judge others or say "Oh, you're not 'saved' so you are going to hell!"...I think I will leave that judgement up to the Almighty:chuckle

    One thing that confused me was the fact that UU members believe in the Trinity~ God, Jesus, & Holy Ghost being one entity, right? So is it not against their own belief system to deny the divinity of Christ, and refer to him as human, and nothing more.

    BTW, just curious, not trying to start some radical religious debate...I love all of God's creatures no matter what they choose to believe
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    Quote from asoldierswife05
    yes, i visited the site right after i posted i am a habitual learner...

    it clarified a lot of questions i had. i would think it perfectly fine for a uu member to call themselves christian if they accept the divinity of christ, and those who do not should refer to themselves in another form, such as child of god or something, just out of respect for those who are christians, imo.

    [font="fixedsys"]and they don't. i would never call myself a christian, many members would never even say god

    as far as salvation, i do believe in the orthodox christian teachings and have accepted christ as my only salvation...but i try not to judge others or say "oh, you're not 'saved' so you are going to hell!"...i think i will leave that judgement up to the almighty:chuckle

    that's why you wouldn't be a universalist

    one thing that confused me was the fact that uu members believe in the trinity~ god, jesus, & holy ghost being one entity, right? so is it not against their own belief system to deny the divinity of christ, and refer to him as human, and nothing more.
    i think you read something wrong. uus do not believe in the trinity, so jesus' place in the trinity means nothing to them as far as proving he's god. they believe in the "oneness" of god, that's where the unitarian part of their name comes from

    btw, just curious, not trying to start some radical religious debate...i love all of god's creatures no matter what they choose to believe
    no offense taken at all, it's an interesting discussion, i'd be happy to continue by pm
    .................
    Last edit by fergus51 on Nov 5, '05
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    thanks for all the info, Fergus
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    thanks for all the info, Fergus
    Welcome:chuckle I only wish I could make things clearer than I usually do:chuckle
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    I have a tough time acccepting god as being a merciful god when there are children being abused, some premmies even before they are supposed to be born. I can accept that there are bad people out there and that god has a grand design for all, but it's the little ones that haven't earned the abuse that makes me question the mercifullness (probably not a word, sorry) of this being that so many people worship.

    I was taught when I was younger that everyone had a purpose in this life. I ask what purpose is it when a long-awaited child is stillborn? The families go through hell in their grieving. I have even known parents to kill themselves because of this. Who does that serve? What have these babies that are unable to defend themselves done to deserve to be hit, kicked, burned, and raped? I feel that a god that allows that to happen isn't one that has earned my respect or love.

    That is one of the reasons why *I* choose not to serve that god as opposed to the ones I commune with.
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    I have a tough time acccepting god as being a merciful god when there are children being abused, some premmies even before they are supposed to be born. I can accept that there are bad people out there and that god has a grand design for all, but it's the little ones that haven't earned the abuse that makes me question the mercifullness (probably not a word, sorry) of this being that so many people worship.

    I was taught when I was younger that everyone had a purpose in this life. I ask what purpose is it when a long-awaited child is stillborn? The families go through hell in their grieving. I have even known parents to kill themselves because of this. Who does that serve? What have these babies that are unable to defend themselves done to deserve to be hit, kicked, burned, and raped? I feel that a god that allows that to happen isn't one that has earned my respect or love.

    That is one of the reasons why *I* choose not to serve that god as opposed to the ones I commune with.


    I am not going to try to convert you, but allow me to tell you a few things that I have experienced and through suffering and great loss, have become stronger because I believe in God. I had twins at 29 weeeks, boy and a girl; they were not expected to live[this was 25 yrs ago]. I said to my husband, at the time, that God would not bless me with twins, then take them away. They spent 2 months in the NICU, one was on the vent for 1 1/2 weeks, the other, amazingly, only needed to be under a head box and IV's till he was able to tolerate formula. My son came home after 7 weeks, my daughter after 8 weeks. They both came home weighing just a little over 5#. They never had to return to the hospital with any residual problems. They grew up, graduated with honors, then both served time in the Navy. I am proud and also very thankful for their success.
    When they were 11, my husband left me for another woman. It was like a death and, so far, the worst thing I've ever had to go through in my life. 2 years later I was married to a man that most woman only dream of. He is considerate, thoughtful, loving and romantic. My children respect him more than their own father, with whom they still have a very good relationship. I thank God everyday for blessing me and my family.
    He has also helped me succeed in my career. I used to be very insecure and unsure if I had even picked the right career path. Now I have been a nurse for 30 yrs and very successful at my job where I work in the ED, the most challenging, yet rewarding area to persue. I'm REALLY saving lives and I thank God for my skills and ability to stay calm in stressful situations. He has truely given me a gift.
    It is the trials and tribulations that are cast apon us that make us stronger and enable us to truly appreciate genuine happiness.
    To paraphrase Lin Yutang, "in order to know the light of life, you must first suffer through darkness." May God bless you.


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