was i unprofessional? (quick story) - page 4

I several years experience as charge nurse and I think I always handle people and situations quite well. However, at my current place of my employment, the first person who shows up for the shift... Read More

  1. Visit  MsBlissful profile page
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    THIS IS WHY... I retired from bedside nursing 5 years out of nursing school. Its BS.
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  2. Visit  blondy2061h profile page
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    It's just insane to me that charge is based solely on who gets there first and someone with <1 year experience is taking charge.
  3. Visit  locolorenzo22 profile page
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    OMG. Run, don't walk, to your state BON and report this unsafe staffing. How do you do anything on time in that shift? I get 4(maybe if I have a fresh post CCL patient) 5 if I don't. I REFUSE to go higher than 5. unsafe for me to chart, catch errors, take care of people, etc.
    I worked years on a ortho floor where you would walk in at 5pm and have 5 patients, 1 on the way, and by 11 you'd either have another admit or take over 1 from the "charge" that left at 1130. post ops and medicals. total crazy some nights! I couldn't imagine that staffing.
    Get out of that place and protect your license. Your hospital is using you!
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  4. Visit  seizetheday profile page
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    Quote from roser13
    Of course professionalism is not limited to nursing. However, you will find that most nurses here (in my experience) are hoping to relate to/vent to/ask advice of those who actually know whereof they speak. For instance, would you return to your other industry positions in order to ask nursing questions of your former co-workers? I would think that you, with your multi-career background, would understand more than anyone that nursing is a unique profession with extremely unique working conditions and situations. I would no more ask a carpenter his/her opinion on nurse/patient ratios than I would ask a lifelong bachelor for parenting advice.

    "The carpenter was not presuming to comment about clinical matters, but about the topic of the thread: whether the OP acted unprofessionally."

    Interesting....how does one guage "professionalism" when one is clueless about the profession, except perhaps by virtue of being married someone in the profession?

    I also found it extraordinary that the carpenter responder in question didn't hesitate in more than one response to correct spelling & punctuation, all the while that his posts contained spelling & punctuation errors.
    I have been a nurse for 12 years and I disagree with this attitude. Yes, there are unique aspects to nursing but there are unique aspects to every single job you can have. It doesn't mean that there aren't commonalities that run across jobs, including nursing. Professionalism is not specific to a profession. There are context specific applications of professionalism but that doesn't mean that someone who isn't a nurse can not in any way understand professionalism. In my hospital the required workshops on professionalism are given by HR, not nurses. If someone who was a engineer told you they walked up to their boss, spat in his face, swore at him and ripped up the blueprints he was holding would you really say that you have no idea if that was professional or not because you aren't an engineer?

    Having worked in professions other than nursing I will say that in my experience pretty much every profession goes home at night feeling as though others don't really understand their job. And nurses can work in homes, schools and clinics, in hospitals and communities, with babies, teens, adults and elderly, as a team or independently - there is really not one definition of what a nurse is. In my opinion, nursing really isn't that special in terms of being a profession, it has its own unique and shared qualities just like every other profession.

    And P.S. - you just did the same as what you judged the carpenter for - pointed out his spelling errors while making spelling errors of your own.

    And I've had some non parents give me great parenting advice, sometimes they can see things from a perspective that is without a bias or feeling of comparing/competitive that other parents can't. Many people go to child psychologists, pediatricians, teachers etc... not all of whom are parents and definitely respect their advice related to their child.
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  5. Visit  Mulan profile page
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    Quote from locolorenzo22
    OMG. Run, don't walk, to your state BON and report this unsafe staffing.

    What, exactly, is the state BON going to do?
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  6. Visit  cherrybreeze profile page
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    Quote from roser13
    I would no more ask a carpenter his/her opinion on nurse/patient ratios than I would ask a lifelong bachelor for parenting advice.
    Of course not. However, the OP wasn't asking about nurse/patient ratios, s/he was asking about the professionalism of their actions.
  7. Visit  wooh profile page
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    As always, it's not bad enough we spend all our time at work being told how to be nurses by people that aren't nurses. We come home, try to commiserate in a safe place, and still have a bunch of non-nurses telling us how to be nurses.
    Old.Timer, Mulan, OCNRN63, and 1 other like this.
  8. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from seizetheday
    I have been a nurse for 12 years and I disagree with this attitude. Yes, there are unique aspects to nursing but there are unique aspects to every single job you can have. It doesn't mean that there aren't commonalities that run across jobs, including nursing. Professionalism is not specific to a profession. There are context specific applications of professionalism but that doesn't mean that someone who isn't a nurse can not in any way understand professionalism. In my hospital the required workshops on professionalism are given by HR, not nurses. If someone who was a engineer told you they walked up to their boss, spat in his face, swore at him and ripped up the blueprints he was holding would you really say that you have no idea if that was professional or not because you aren't an engineer?

    Having worked in professions other than nursing I will say that in my experience pretty much every profession goes home at night feeling as though others don't really understand their job. And nurses can work in homes, schools and clinics, in hospitals and communities, with babies, teens, adults and elderly, as a team or independently - there is really not one definition of what a nurse is. In my opinion, nursing really isn't that special in terms of being a profession, it has its own unique and shared qualities just like every other profession.

    And P.S. - you just did the same as what you judged the carpenter for - pointed out his spelling errors while making spelling errors of your own.

    And I've had some non parents give me great parenting advice, sometimes they can see things from a perspective that is without a bias or feeling of comparing/competitive that other parents can't. Many people go to child psychologists, pediatricians, teachers etc... not all of whom are parents and definitely respect their advice related to their child.
    The majority of the nurses who post here are looking to communicate with other nurses, not lay-people. If I start a thread here about some sort of difficulty I am having with my job, I want input from other experienced nurses, not bar tenders, carpenters, waitresses, etc. I have no actual proof, but my gut feeling tells me that most other nurses here feel the same way.
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  9. Visit  OCNRN63 profile page
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    Quote from wooh
    As always, it's not bad enough we spend all our time at work being told how to be nurses by people that aren't nurses. We come home, try to commiserate in a safe place, and still have a bunch of non-nurses telling us how to be nurses.
    This.
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  10. Visit  roser13 profile page
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    Quote from cherrybreeze
    Of course not. However, the OP wasn't asking about nurse/patient ratios, s/he was asking about the professionalism of their actions.
    Exactly. And when OP posted her question about the professionalism of demanding a change in her assignment, no doubt she was hoping for opinions from carpenters, attorneys, engineers and rocket scientists. Cause they all would no doubt understand shift work, charge nurses, rapid admissions, patient acuity and hospital politics. Thereby leading to their ability to understand, evaluate and pass judgment on professional nursing behavior. Just as they were taught in law/engineering/carpentry school.

    Whatever

    As for me, I will stick to Allnurses.com, kind of pining for the day when only nurses and nursing students were interested in posting here.
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  11. Visit  seizetheday profile page
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    Quote from OCNRN63
    The majority of the nurses who post here are looking to communicate with other nurses, not lay-people. If I start a thread here about some sort of difficulty I am having with my job, I want input from other experienced nurses, not bar tenders, carpenters, waitresses, etc. I have no actual proof, but my gut feeling tells me that most other nurses here feel the same way.
    Yes that may be true and I would agree that most want to hear from nurses. That however is a separate issue form saying that an individual can't understand professionalism in the workplace unless they are a nurse.
  12. Visit  kalevra profile page
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    Quote from raindrop
    But she doesn't have additional responsibilities. I've said it 3 or 4 times already.....she is only responsible for making assignments for our shift. I know this for a fact. I know this for a fact because more often than not, I am charge. I am not assuming she doesn't have additional duties....I KNOW she doesn't. And the other nurse knows she didn't either. The charge nurse does not need to know anything that is going on with any of our patients. At the end of her shift, she simply reports off about her patients to the oncoming nurse and LEAVES. Just like the rest of us.
    Since they have no other responsibilities other than the one you just mentioned then NO, I do not think you were unprofessional. It does not sound like the CN at your facility has any management level responsibilities other than assigning your patients. I mean she is not your manager, in fact you are on equal footing with her since you work the position as well. Look when something does not make sense and you are within limits to correct nonsense then go for it. I mean realistically I think most people have had coworkers that will stack the workload in their favor, rather than an equal dispersal of workload. Yes you could have done it privately, but busting them out in front of other nurses on shift kinda counts as points towards your leadership when you are in charge.

    It shows people around you that when in charge you are willing to share the workload in as equal manner as possible. It gets you brownie points and come in very useful when you need a hand on something. It also shows you are willing to put up a fight for things you believe in.

    I also want to point out that if the CN felt that she was in the right for how the assignments were organized then she should not change her position on the matter. If her rationale was sound, at least to her, then why change it for a request from another RN. She should have used her leadership abilities to either say no, or get you on to her side. Obviously some one had a better idea on how to do things and it was set into motion.
    Last edit by kalevra on Oct 15, '11
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  13. Visit  roser13 profile page
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    "I also want to point out that if the CN felt that she was in the right for how the assignments were organized then she should not change her position on the matter. If her rationale was sound, at least to her, then why change it for a request from another RN."

    Good point!
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