Universal coverage for pregnant women and children = 9 days of DOD spending - page 7

but even if schip is fully funded, millions of children will still be excluded from health care coverage. up until now, medicaid and the schip program have made great strides in providing children... Read More

  1. by   paulaking1978
    Quote from ingelein
    Thanks, kidznurse, for your response to Cozmo Blozmo, doesnt it make you wonder when you hear such statements? Not all Americans are this way, really.
    :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat:

    It is a shame we all don't live in the " Radical Right-Wing" world. :trout:
  2. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Please, try to keep posts focused on the topic and not each other. Hot topic of debate; political lines are clearly demarkated here. Let's just try to keep our cool while we debate these things! Thanks.
  3. by   pickledpepperRN
    A Colorado father journeyed to Washington to plead for health-care reform on behalf of his chronically ill son.


    ...A computer network security expert who earns over $100,000, Wilkes works for a private firm outside of Denver which fits into the large-group insurance category and is allowed to shop around for different providers each year. But when his son Thomas, born with severe hemophilia, developed a resistance to treatment at age 1, Wilkes's claims soared; his company's insurance provider, Wilkes says, soon began hiking premiums 40 to 55 percent each year, and introduced a lifetime cap of $1 million for all employees and their families--including Thomas. Soon, Wilkes says, no other insurance companies would offer to cover the company. Worried he would no longer be able to provide coverage for his son, Wilkes turned to state and local groups for help....

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16874285/site/newsweek/
  4. by   Overland1
    Quote from HM2Viking
    Neither a fair or accurate comment. An honest reading of the original post was that we as a country need to examine our priorities. In no way has anyone argued for a dismantling of DOD. However, eliminating private contracting by DOD of transportation services, food service, laundry etc to KBR/Halliburton would more than likely save enough to pay for Universal coverage. (A 2.5% expenditure cut is hardly a proposal to shut down DOD.) Bottom line is that it is pennywise and pound foolish to not provide affordable access to health care to children and pregnant women. Somehow, I think that adopting that position reflects the nursing core value of caring.
    I never try to be just fair (good or excellent is a much better course) nor am I dishonest; rather I always try to be reasonable. I occasionally use absurdity (some call it "sarcasm", which is not my intent, or "tongue-in-cheek", which may be a more accurate description) to expose absurdity.

    I have always been skeptical of placing certain things in the hands of government. Having worked with government agencies over the past decades; I realize that the government is likely the least capable of running anything. Who could better provide laundry, transportation, and other services to the DoD than the terminally eeeeeeeeeevil Halliburton (most have no idea of what Halliburton is or does, other than what they see and hear in the media)? If there is such a company, who and where are they, and how much would their services cost the taxpayers? Look at the Postal Service, the Dept. of Agriculture, etc. as examples. We have too much recidivism among our elected officials, probably because their priority is not caring about us little people. Job #1 for them is to be elected and be re-elected, regardless of political affiliation, geographic location, age, or other categories in which they reside. They succeed because the voters too often want something for nothing, and who is there to promise it will be given to them if they vote a certain way? You guessed it - the politicians who have learned early on about Job #1. I personally knew several who chose elected office as a career; they started out as basically honest, concerned, nice people. Once they got into office, little time passed before they became part of the culture, which will chew you up and spit you out if you do not follow their agenda. No room for individual thinkers in politics; they do not last long because nobody in state and federal politics likes a troublemaker.

    We go to "rallies" to protest various things and those we elected are there for face and mike time. They find the biggest and best ways to get more media exposure, with occasional "listening" to each special interest group. Years ago, we had a governor whose approach to nurses' concerns was basically (paraphrased), "so what do you nurses want, anyway?" I realize that NY voters never seem to be able to elect the best nor the brightest.......

    Then I read articles such as this <--(look at the individual studies and reports, please), which I also take just as seriously as those on the opposite side of the aisle, and consider, do we really want to open up that can of worms/go down that road?
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    We cannot continue on the road we are on now. Hospitals are closing, many are closing ER's and mental health services. Why are prisoners entitled to healthcare but not little boys born with a disorder that is expensive to treat?

    This institute has the goal of improving Canadas system. They don't advocate denying care to anyone?
    http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared...sNav=pb&id=877

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    Facts on the Cost of Health Care
    http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml


    Spending higher per person for younger and older Canadians

    Total health care spending per capita is expected to reach $4,548 in 2006, a 4.9% increase over last year.
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...p?newsid=58214


    U.S. citizens spent $5,267 per capita for health care in 2002—53 percent more than any other country.
    http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...tract/24/4/903


    Despite spending more for health care, Americans do not have the best medical care in the world.
    http://www.news-medical.net/print_article.asp?id=1286

    Health care spending seen to nearly double
    Government report projects costs growing faster than economy
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/hea...alth-headlines
  6. by   leximast1
    I totally agree that goverment run health would be horrid. But we all seem to agree there has to be something. But what?
    I used to work in HR. Image choosing between a good healthcare coverage and your cell phone. The company I worked for had 12 different plans(from $11 a week and up) only 25% of the qualified employees would sign up, rest said that they couldn't afford it or that they would just go to emergencey. But for some reason they could afford their car payments and cell phone bill. For some people healthcare isn't a priority, until they need it.
    The ones I really feel sorry for is when women during job interveiws ask how long before they can get health insurance. I tell them in 6 mos or after you have work a certain about of hours, whichever comes first. They look really disappointed and say "but my baby is due in 5 months"
  7. by   ~jellybean~
    Most uninsured adults are not unemployed drug addicts as some seem to believe. I recently read in the American Journal of Nursing that the majority of uninsured families include at least one adult with a full time job and incomes between 100% and 200% of the poverty level. They don't have insurance either because their employer doesn't offer health insurance benefits or the premiums are so high they can not afford them. And certainly private insurance is not an affordable option for most people.

    Anyone can find themselves without health insurance due to unfortunate circumstances that may be completely beyond their control. That realization is part of the reason I feel compassion for those without insurance. I have also lived without insurance and know how difficult it is, and I have family members who are experiencing that problem now.

    1 in 5 Americans do not have any health coverage. I do not believe it is because 1 in 5 Americans are lazy moochers. There are many options to fix this problem, each with their own pros and cons. I don't think ignoring the problem or blaming it on the victims is the way to go.
  8. by   rngreenhorn
    Quote from ~jellybean~
    Most uninsured adults are not unemployed drug addicts as some seem to believe. I recently read in the American Journal of Nursing that the majority of uninsured families include at least one adult with a full time job and incomes between 100% and 200% of the poverty level. They don't have insurance either because their employer doesn't offer health insurance benefits or the premiums are so high they can not afford them. And certainly private insurance is not an affordable option for most people.

    Anyone can find themselves without health insurance due to unfortunate circumstances that may be completely beyond their control. That realization is part of the reason I feel compassion for those without insurance. I have also lived without insurance and know how difficult it is, and I have family members who are experiencing that problem now.

    1 in 5 Americans do not have any health coverage. I do not believe it is because 1 in 5 Americans are lazy moochers. There are many options to fix this problem, each with their own pros and cons. I don't think ignoring the problem or blaming it on the victims is the way to go.
    If a women is pregnant with her 2nd, 3rd, or 4th child and doesn't have health insurance she should bare the responsibility her choices. The victims are the children, but the perpetrator is the women who makes the choice to continue to have children. These women are not victims. Her children and the tax payers who pay for her children are the victims.

    I am not saying that some people who work and are truly trying can't afford insurance. There should be reform to make insurance more affordable. There are persons in our society who need help, who have had catastrophic things happen, who are doing there best but still coming up short. There are plenty of programs for the poor, including programs for children of the poor. The reform needs to focus on the citizens who are truly trying, while not hurting tax payers. I know we live in a society together, but that does not mean we all have a moral obligation to pay for our fellow citizen's choices.

    Why not introduce reform that embraces the idea that we should be accountable for ourselves? Maybe take health care out of the employer's control and put it in employee ownership and control. How about tax cuts for all medical expenses, and tax free health savings accounts, get rid of health insurance mandates, make more drugs avaliable over the counter. Decrease the cost of medical malpratice suits, by implenting "loser pays" law.

    There has to be some personal and governmental accountability before we jump head long into universal health care. It is not the evil rich or the evil corporations or the evil pharmaceutical companies or the evil insurance companies who are going to pay the price for universal health care. It is us, the tax middle class tax payers. Sure we might have health care, but what about the rest of our quality of life?
  9. by   Kyrshamarks
    [quote=spacenurse;2103511]We cannot continue on the road we are on now. Hospitals are closing, many are closing ER's and mental health services. [/q]


    Where are the hospitals closing left and right? where are the ER's closing left and right? Obviously not here in Houston. There are hospitals opening every month and there are ER's every where as wel as urgent care centers for minor problems. I have not seen reports of hospitals closing all over the ones I have seen were marginal at best and more than likely needed to be closed. Just becasue it is a hospital does not make it a scared place.
  10. by   cozmo_blozmo
    Wow, this is directly related to the federal government and yet you still want them to run healthcare? What I see on here is a bunch of people who have illnesses that are expensive to treat or pre-existing conditions or other problems that want that burden placed on everybody else and trying to use children and women (typical liberal trick) to try and force everyone else to pay for it. Here is my thought go over to your neighbors house tonight, knock on the door and ask them for the money for you or your family to cover the cost of healthcare. It is not everyone elses problem because your premiums are high for whatever reason and to think that because the government will be involved in the care the costs are going to go down is simply ridiculous and anyone with 1/2 a brain knows this. I bet 90% of all insured Americans are perfectly happy with their plans. I am and everyone I know is happy with their current health insurance plan/premiums.


    Quote from spacenurse
    We cannot continue on the road we are on now. Hospitals are closing, many are closing ER's and mental health services. Why are prisoners entitled to healthcare but not little boys born with a disorder that is expensive to treat?
  11. by   horvie
    Back to the original post.....I remember when people used to pay for their medical care out of pocket....when "insurance" was used to cover the out of the ordinary medical expenses. (Now you all can imagine how old I really am!!)

    It pains me today to work with clients who come into my office, uninsured and pregnant, and expect "someone" to give them health insurance to cover their planned pregnancies. When asked how they feel about being pregnant (part of our assessment) they are almost all "exited and happy". Despite stating a bit later that they have no insurance, no way to obtain baby supplies, car seat, crib, etc. Anybody ever hear about planning for a family????

    I agree with the poster who spoke about personal responsibility....if you can't afford something...either save up and pay for it, or wait til you can afford it.

    To the person who spoke about prevention...it's cheaper to pay for a box of condoms and a diaphragm than prenatal care. We need to put more funding into interconceptional coverage and family planning services for both men and women.

    That said...I do agree that the system is broken and should be fixed, but to constantly "give" benefits to people who accept no personal responsibility for their situation isn't the answer either. There is some merit to the idea that if you have to pay for something, you value it a bit more....so if people have to pay for some portion of their coverage they may not abuse it quite so much.

    And truth be told...most of my clients do not want to take their kids to the community health center where they can purchase/pay for their care on a sliding scale basis...they want it for free!

    Sometimes I just get sooo discouraged
  12. by   Simplepleasures
    assessing america's health care system

    http://www.pww.org/index.php/article...ew/10703/1/362

    in this book ,dr. don sloan md, argues the case for corporate free universal health care. sloan describes the current process in which doctors have become "simply the middleman between the sick and vulnerable and the insurance companies seeking to elicit whatever gains were possible."

    the extremely high cost of healthcare is hurting the profit margins of some american corporations. health care costs add $1600. to the cost of manufacturing a car at ford motors, and the situation is similar to other auto producers.in canada auto producers have absolutely no extra health care costs.

    dr. sloan exclaims, "health care is not a privilege. it is a right. and if nessessary, this right should be protected by a constitutional amendment."

    the author calls out for mass grass roots activism to effect the nessessary changes.
  13. by   Simplepleasures
    the right to health care

    [font=fixedsys]http://www.righttohealthcare.org/newlaw.htm

    [font=fixedsys]a fresh look at thr right to healthcare, documents and legal foundation

    [font=fixedsys]"health care is a human right, not a privilege.if you dont believe this now , you might change your mind if and when you find yourself in need of life saving care in a hospital emergency room.in recent protests on both coasts demonstrators have shouted for their right to health care."

    [font=fixedsys]more evidence that there is a push to make healthcare a constitutional right.

    [font=fixedsys]s.b.14 constitutional amendment provides right for a universal health system that provides for affordable access to medical care for all residents. minnesota.
    [font=fixedsys]other states such as massachusetts also have amendments to give the people the right to healthcare.more states are bound to do the same.
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    endorsers and supporters of the "right" to health care
    http://www.righttohealthcare.org/simply.htm
    Last edit by Simplepleasures on Mar 9, '07

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