Should Healthcare Be Funded As A Basic Human Right? - page 19

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    I'm still putting more towards kids' educations than I'm getting out. In your world, it's just not fair to me to have to pay for your moocher kids to be educated when nobody else is pitching in for my dogs' obedience schools.
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    Quote from wooh
    I'm still putting more towards kids' educations than I'm getting out. In your world, it's just not fair to me to have to pay for your moocher kids to be educated when nobody else is pitching in for my dogs' obedience schools.
    You know something? If you never have any children who attend public schools, then you are right, you shouldn't have to pay.

    But I noticed that you avoided answering my question. That did not go unnoticed...
    Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Dec 12, '12
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    Well you added your question after I read the post. People should do what they can. I'm not saying we should pay for luxury vacations for everyone. I'm saying we should pay to keep people healthy. I'm not willing to punish those who are working poor just so I can punish the few that are "moochers." The people IN THIS THREAD that can't afford healthcare. My MOTHER who can't afford healthcare. I'm more interested in HELPING them than I am in PUNISHING others.
    Besides, I try to judge not lest I be judged. Sure, you're a hardworking guy. But you aren't perfect. If we were to open up your life to judgment, I'm sure we could find a few failings, even if you've managed to get a job that covers your healthcare. A lot of people who can't afford healthcare are in other ways, MUCH BETTER people than I am. I'm not willing to sentence them to death.
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    After reading this I've come to a conclusion seeing as generalizations are being made.

    Americans are "everyman for himself"

    Europeans, Canadians, Australians believe in the greater good for all.

    Or bluntly selfish vs. sharing.

    Flame away, I've got bags and bags of marshmallows and a couch to hide behind.
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    Sometimes we agree tewdles, sometimes we don't. Here you make good points. My only problem is that you don't seem to want to hold some of those "Less fortunate" accountable for anything. I don't mind helping the less fortunate as long as they are also trying to be responsible. But I don't want to do more for them than they are willing to do for themselves.
    I don't make generalizations about the willingness of the poor to do for themselves. I worked with the uninsured and under insured for more than a decade. For the most part they were hard working people who cared about their families and were trying to get ahead...that's as general as I can get.

    I refuse to accept that this great nation has no capacity to insure that each citizen has access to reasonable preventative and comprehensive health care.
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    Quote from wooh
    Well you added your question after I read the post. People should do what they can.

    Ok. But if healthcare funding becomes automatic, then there is no incentive for people to pay what they can. It will be just one more reason not to work and contribute. And for some people, paying what they can means to give whatever is left over after paying for cable, internet, ridiculous amounts of shoes and all kinds of things that they want but don't necessarily need. Making funding a right just makes it so much easier on them because then they don't even have to justify anything. They don't even have to put on a show.

    I'm not saying we should pay for luxury vacations for everyone. I'm saying we should pay to keep people healthy. I'm not willing to punish those who are working poor just so I can punish the few that are "moochers." The people IN THIS THREAD that can't afford healthcare. My MOTHER who can't afford healthcare. I'm more interested in HELPING them than I am in PUNISHING others.

    So am I! So why not put programs in place to specifically address these "hard working people who cannot otherwise afford healthcare" instead of a blanket action that covers those who take advantage of the system?


    Besides, I try to judge not lest I be judged. Sure, you're a hardworking guy. But you aren't perfect. If we were to open up your life to judgment, I'm sure we could find a few failings, even if you've managed to get a job that covers your healthcare. A lot of people who can't afford healthcare are in other ways, MUCH BETTER people than I am. I'm not willing to sentence them to death.

    It's not that I look around hoping to find failings in people so I can judge them and put them down. But in my short life I've been exposed to so many people who take advantage of the system that I just can't say that "It is only a few so let's officially make funding a right to all citizens," because I know that will only make it even easier for many people to not take care of themselves.
    Also, you will find a hell of a lot more than "A few failings" if you were to put my life under a microscope. But I always made sure that my failings were my failings. It was always up to me to fix them, not anyone else.
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    Again...health care expenses are not necessarily about an individual's failures or personal weaknesses. Bad things happen to good people all the time...there is even a book or two about that.
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    Quote from tewdles
    Again...health care expenses are not necessarily about an individual's failures or personal weaknesses. Bad things happen to good people all the time...there is even a book or two about that.
    I know that. That is why I said that we could start programs to help those people get back on their feet. What I'm against is a blanket program that also covers system abusers. I'm sure I've stated this several times in this thread. But it is apparently constantly overlooked.

    I'm sure that it has nothing to do with the posters selective reading
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    Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSED
    I know that. That is why I said that we could start programs to help those people get back on their feet. What I'm against is a blanket program that also covers system abusers. I'm sure I've stated this several times in this thread. But it is apparently constantly overlooked.

    I'm sure that it has nothing to do with the posters selective reading
    Are you advocating starting governmental programs other than medicaid and welfare to help people get back on their feet?

    You do realize that the greatest $$ abuse of medicaid and medicare occurs not on the part of the recipient but on the part of providers, right?
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    Quote from tewdles
    1q. Are you advocating starting governmental programs other than medicaid and welfare to help people get back on their feet?

    2q. You do realize that the greatest $$ abuse of medicaid and medicare occurs not on the part of the recipient but on the part of providers, right?
    1a. Yes, I am all for starting government programs other than medicaid and welfare to help people get back on their feet. Absolutely I am-with the catch being that they must be actively helping themselves get back on their feet. I'm 100% for that. I would be 101% for it, but the powers that govern numbers and percentages simply do not allow that

    The programs should be less broad in scope that what the article speaks of. This is to minimize the number loopholes for system abusers to take advantage of.

    2a. Healthcare funding becoming a right just gives the providers MANY more opportunities to abuse medicaid and medicare. Unfortunately to minimize this actions that I am not qualified to figure out would me necessary.

    Though, like I said in an earlier post, I believe that making it less lucrative to sue healthcare providers will cut costs dramatically. That is a large problem in this country-litigation. these days if you're clumsy and fall down a flight of steps you can sue the owner of those steps for everything he has. I truly believe that getting rid of the litigation problem will help this country in SO many ways, and this includes healthcare.


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