Is Health Care a Right? - page 44

Just want to see your opinion (friendly discussion, no flaming, please). Is health care a right that should be enjoyed equally here in the U.S.? If so, how would this be financed without breaking... Read More

  1. by   VickyRN
    Oh, and another thing. I think it is a very sad commentary on our society when an incarcerated rapist has better access to health care (FREE health care and health insurance) than a hard-working, law-abiding, tax-paying small business owner who cannot afford to pay exorbitant health insurance premiums.
    Just some food for thought....
  2. by   flashpoint
    I believe that everyone should have the right to quality health care. I do not, however believe that everyone should have the right to free health care. To be brutally honest, it disgusts me that tax dollars are going to pay for medical care for people who refuse to take care of themselves, people who refuse to follow doctors' orders, and people who simply spend their money foolishly. Why should taxes go to pay for tylenol for a person who "can't afford it" but can afford cigarettes? Why should tax dollars be used to pay for a prescription for someone who has "no money" but walks into the ER drinking a $2 soda and munching on a bag of chips? I know that not everyone who recieves free health care abuses the system, but I find it very sad that there is not way to stop the ones that do. When I worked ER, I had a huge amount of people who expected or demanded free OTC meds because they had no money or couldn't afford them and four hours later I would see the same person standing in line of the snack bar at the movie theater. Can't afford a $2 bottle of generic tylenol, but can afford to take three kids to the movie and spend $20 on snacks. Doesn't seem quite fair to me that I have to budget my money and plan for emergencies and keep my medicine chest stocked with tylenol and such while other people get free health care but drive $20,000 cars and go to the movies every weekend. Wish I could afford that.
  3. by   jenac
    I think each of us can relate hundreds of stories about people who milk the system-and do it quite well. How many years have we had to sit and watch people living better than we are on public assistance? These are the people I'd love to strap up-and whom the Government has tried to somewhat force to be responsible in some small part. Welfare can't last forever anymore. Excessive Medicare costs have been cut-or atleast curbed. Disability has caught on to the fakers. But we have also created a system overwrought with so many problems-in which more and more people who are forced to pay taxes are struggling due to the ever-increasing taxes we face. How many times have we seen Joe Blow get a liver transplant because his is shot due to years of drinking and drugs, while Jane Innocent dies because she can't get one in time? I'd love just once for the Government to ASK me which one I'd pay for.

    It is just as frustrating to me-to watch flat out lazy people live better lives than I can, while I work my bum off taking care of them to earn a paycheck. I would love to take my kids to the movies every weekend-heck, once a month would be great. But, due to over-inflated heathcare costs, I'll be lucky to afford my Tylenol, let alone a movie night. How is that fair? Why should these people have better access to Dr. and hospitals and medications than me or my family? Why should their kids get faster care than mine, just because I don't have the extra cash sitting around to pay for an office visit, or a Medicaid card handy? The answer is simple- our Government says they can-because I make too much. (Guess I'm still waiting for THAT paycheck...), so I'm on my own. Back to the original evil- pay the outrageous premiums for heathcare coverage, or face the outrageous costs on my own, either way-something else doesn't get paid and my life never improves.

    You can say that each of us should be individually accountable for our heathcare- and that may work (God knows I'd save a bundle in taxes..). But right now- that's not the case. By turning your back on the ones who screw the system-you also turn your backs on the ones whom the system was created for. What about them? There is something to be said for equality in heathcare...
  4. by   flashpoint
    I know that some people cannot afford health care at all, but everyone should take responsibility for their health care as they are able. I think that if people even had to pay $1 for an ER or office visit, they would consider them a little more carefully. No one should be denied care based on ability to pay, but only people who truly cannot pay should get care for free. Everyone else should have to contribute even if it is a very small amount.
  5. by   jenac
    Cotjockey- I do agree with you in part. Maybe even paying a $1 would make the people in your example more responsible. It would be nice to see. I'm not necessarily saying everyone should have free heathcare- just an equal opportunity. I take pride in my hardwork and the fact that everything I have, I have worked for. I have no problem paying for healthcare-atleast AFFORDABLE, realistic heathcare.
    Last edit by jenac on May 7, '03
  6. by   Gromit
    Just please let me make one distinction perfectly clear.
    The 'free' healthcare is NOT free.

    SOMEBODY has to pay for it.
  7. by   Good_Queen_Bess
    Could those who deny equality for all say to a child; "No you're too poor to have your cancer treated/have a transplant because I'm not prepared to pay tax for the likes of you. A few more pence in the pound in my pocket is better than a few more pence towards the Inland Revenue to pay for health care for all. Money is more important than your life. However, I WOULD deserve to be treated because I pay the right insurance, but you don't because your too poor."
    We are not judge and jury to say who lives and who dies.

    OTT? No, a PERSON'S life.
  8. by   Good_Queen_Bess
    Originally posted by sanakruz
    Oh and MagRN- Please share with us some stats RE non-citizens leeching our system.Do you have any clue as to where you may find them? Or are you just going to recite the same tired party line of the ignorant?
    Suzy- Heaven forbid that inmate had access to an abortion prior to being incarcerated! Pro life any of you? I know you are, Mark

    Can I believe my ears? Licensed nurses advocating the suffering of their fellow humans on this planet? Or are you all just whining because you have to pay taxes???
    Couldn't have put it better myself sanakruz.
  9. by   jenac
    So tell me-in all this debate, has anyone noticed the irony here? As healthcare workers-we are the ones who are forced to take care of those we are complaining about to earn our living to pay the taxes that support them and ultimitely pay our wages!

    A huge cosmic joke, if you think about it.
  10. by   Good_Queen_Bess
    Originally posted by jenac
    So tell me-in all this debate, has anyone noticed the irony here? As healthcare workers-we are the ones who are forced to take care of those we are complaining about to earn our living to pay the taxes that support them and ultimitely pay our wages!

    A huge cosmic joke, if you think about it.
    And I thought that American's didn't understand irony. I thought you guys thought that irony was like goldy and brozey, only made of iron. :wink2:
  11. by   nurse2002
    Originally posted by jenac
    So tell me-in all this debate, has anyone noticed the irony here? As healthcare workers-we are the ones who are forced to take care of those we are complaining about to earn our living to pay the taxes that support them and ultimitely pay our wages!

    A huge cosmic joke, if you think about it.
    I disagree. At no time did I, myself complain about taking care of these people, or paying taxes to support them. Most of these people support themselves and work hard, but cannot afford healthcare. I am not forced to care for anyone. I enjoy taking care of any patient whether they have insurance money or whatever.

    The point is our goverment spends money for ungodly thins, (please see my previous posts) that EVERYONE should have basic healthcare, their meds if they cannot afford them. Any surgeries that will save their lives or make their quality of life better. This should be a RIGHT. In a country that wastes millions of dollars everyday.

    Just because someone is elderly does not mean they should not have their meds paid for by the government. These are the people that taught us as children, cooked in restraunts for us and ultimateley made our world much more efficient. They deserve healthcare.

    Working families that cannot afford healthcare it should be given to them on a basis of income.

    Please read my previous posts.

    Also we have MDs now who have been taking care of patients for decades and now that the patient is elderly and REALLY needs that MD, the doc is dropping those patients because medicare does not reimburse them enough money. Its really sickening.

    From what ive heard socialized medicine is not perfect, but it works for everyone. Whether you are poor, old ,working whatever.

    I see socialized medicine in our very near future here in the US.
  12. by   nurse2002
    Originally posted by Good_Queen_Bess
    Could those who deny equality for all say to a child; "No you're too poor to have your cancer treated/have a transplant because I'm not prepared to pay tax for the likes of you.

    OTT? No, a PERSON'S life.
    Sad, it happens all the time here. And as I said earlier. WE would not have to pay higher taxes if the government would stop wasting money. I gave a serious example earlier of a million dollar grant (one every year) for people to study why flies have two wings and the exact mechanics of those wings. They give billions in grants like this every year.

    The damn fly isnt even endangered.

    But people with cancer without insurance are.Who work, but cannot afford it, and make too much money to get aid, then by the time they quit their job the aid is gone.

    Where are the governments priorities?

    Themselves.
  13. by   nurse2002
    Originally posted by Gromit
    Sounds good. Wish I could afford the Harley Road King, instead of the Kawasaki Vulcan Classic that I ride, but my finances don't support that (yet. They will in about a half a year). I understand the desire, but who should donate the money? I mean, it DOES seem harsh to say 'you just don't have the coverage', but the truth of the matter is, CABG, and any other advanced tx just cost a lot of money, resources etc, and well, who eats the cost?
    With all due respect Gromit. Are you actually comparing a motorcycle to healthcare? That your finances dont support it so you dont have the one you want yet?

    That someone should not have a lifesaving procedure because they cant afford it?

    Are these two things actually being compared.?????????????

    The goverment DOES have the money. They can pay WITHOUT anything else being cut. They are just too shallow and have too many butts to kiss with the money they are giving out now.

    America is a great place to live. But there are some serious priorities missing. I would much rather our goverment pay healcare for elderly, disabled, working people who cannot afford it than see billions on a shuttle lift off that they screw up anyway.
    If the government would get their priorities straight EVERYONE could have healthcare and not at further expense to the taxpayer.

    Have you ever looked up goverment spending on the internet? 500,000 blacktie dinners once a month at the white house. At governs mansions. ALL the time. Cut this crap out and they could put the money torwars healthcare.

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