Health Care is Not a Right

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Before we get into it, I'm going into first year nursing... but I'm not some young kid. I'm 34, married with a family, studied philosophy in my early 20's, and lived well below the poverty line for my entire life. I'm saying this to avoid any fallacious arguments stemming from status or authority.

Now that's out of the way...

Why is health care not a right?

It's not a right because it requires others to fund your health care costs. You do not have a right to the money of other people.

What about those in need of health care?

We all love helping people, and that's important. Which is why there are countless organizations, churches, synagogues, companies, online charitable organizations, and other opportunities for your access.

If health care is a right, it's immoral.

A socialist view of health care requires the theft of citizens money through taxation to fund your health care needs. Just because I need health care does not mean I can take money of others, even when done through governmental force.

What's the difference between access to things like fire services, and health care services? They're all services aren't they?

The difference is that citizens who pay for services should receive services. Taxation pays for fire services, people are therefore owed that service.Consider, outside of municipalities where services aren't paid for, firefighting is volunteer, or paid for out of pocket. At least that's how it works in Canada...

When is health care a right then?

When you pay for it, however, it's a contractual right. Not a human right. I'm owed the service because I paid for it, that's it.

Who's responsible to take care of me then?

You are. Crazy idea right?

Are there exceptions?

Obviously, those with zero capacity to care for themselves.

I suspect heading into a Canadian nursing program with my views will be an interesting experience.

What about those people who will not or cannot pay back the money? I'm thinking about frequent-flier homeless drug addicts who basically live in the ED.

On the other hand, what about an extremely poor elderly man who suffers a stroke? He lives in a dilapidated old house, barely has enough to eat and has no one to take care of him.

What should happen in these cases?

I don't play the (insert super sad story here) game. Nothing makes it right to take other people's money to pay for others medical care. It's immoral. It's not my right to take your money to pay for my broken leg.

So are you going to contact your university and find out how much the course actually costs? Not how much a Canadian student pays? Overseas students pay twice what you will.

And good luck with your preceptors and tutors.

I'm aware of the tuition costs. This is why I said earlier, it's hard being a Canadian libertarian. Canadian socialist values go against my nature. However, I always try my best to not take advantage of this system, and live as free from it as possible.

Thanks for the good luck wishes, I'm sure I'll need it.

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
I don't play the (insert super sad story here) game. Nothing makes it right to take other people's money to pay for others medical care. It's immoral. It's not my right to take your money to pay for my broken leg.

So does that mean you're also against every type of insurance? Because that's the exact purpose of insurance- to create a pool from all who are at risk.

So does that mean you're also against every type of insurance? Because that's the exact purpose of insurance- to create a pool from all who are at risk.

No problem there, because those involved would be voluntarily contributing. I think that's awesome! Forced insurance would be immoral.

I'll give you a good example. I have a close friend who is very wealthy. He could pay for his own health care for this lifetime twice over, no exaggeration. In our system, why can he not opt out of paying taxation for health care, and opt to pay it just for himself privately? It's because our system is dependant on his money regardless if he wants to pay or not... and that is immoral.

I'm aware of the tuition costs. This is why I said earlier, it's hard being a Canadian libertarian. Canadian socialist values go against my nature. However, I always try my best to not take advantage of this system, and live as free from it as possible.

Thanks for the good luck wishes, I'm sure I'll need it.

If you feel that strongly about it, and you're planning to come to the US anyway, why not come to the US and pay unsubsidized foreign student tuition at some school in the US? (Not that I'm encouraging you to come here ... :eek:) That way, you could avoid benefiting from the corrupt, immoral, socialized Canadian system, which would be the only moral and ethical action for you to take, given your stated values.

No problem there, because those involved would be voluntarily contributing. I think that's awesome! Forced insurance would be immoral.

I'll give you a good example. I have a close friend who is very wealthy. He could pay for his own health care for this lifetime twice over, no exaggeration. In our system, why can he not opt out of paying taxation for health care, and opt to pay it just for himself privately? It's because our system is dependant on his money regardless if he wants to pay or not... and that is immoral.

Explain to me again how universal healthcare is different from other public services, like police and fire? Because I've never used the police or fire department services in my life (other than being stopped for a few speeding tickets), and I've been forced to pay taxes to provide those services to others all these years. Outrageous!! Immoral!! Where's the justice in that?? It should be my right to choose whether I want to pay for police or fire departments.

If you feel that strongly about it, and you're planning to come to the US anyway, why not come to the US and pay unsubsidized foreign student tuition at some school in the US? (Not that I'm encouraging you to come here ... :eek:) That way, you could avoid benefiting from the corrupt, immoral, socialized Canadian system, which would be the only moral and ethical action for you to take, given your stated values.

You truly don't know me... I've considered leaving countless times. You wouldn't be asking that question if you knew the answer though. I love how much flack I get for advocating against socialism here. Is every nurse a bloody socialist. :D

But the real question is why are all of you trying to send OP to the US, we don't want them either -.-

Explain to me again how universal healthcare is different from other public services, like police and fire? Because I've never used the police or fire department services in my life (other than being stopped for a few speeding tickets), and I've been forced to pay taxes to provide those services to others all these years. Outrageous!! Immoral!! Where's the justice in that?? It should be my right to choose whether I want to pay for police or fire departments.

Well, universal health care in Ontario where I am isn't technically speaking "universal"... citizenship is a requirement. Otherwise you'll get billed after service. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one? (that's not rhetorical).

Well, usually, one is paying for fire service in the municipality they reside. If a municipal fire service has to leave the city to help those outside the city, they are charged (as they should be). So what you're saying here isn't true. You generally speaking get the service you pay for.

Note, you are also opting (I assume) to pay... that's your right.

That's different then saying someone has a right to your money regardless if you desire to pay or not.

But the real question is why are all of you trying to send OP to the US, we don't want them either -.-

I actually go by the pronoun "him".

You didn't specify your gender in the post. Regardless, message is the same

Specializes in Critical Care.
Excellent question, you either have health insurance that would cover the medical bills, or receive treatment that you would need to pay back at a later date.

And if their costs aren't going to be paid by insurance or if they are part of the 99.9 percent of the population that could never pay their potential costs by themselves, what then?

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