Controversial Michael Moore Flick 'Sicko' Will Compare U.S. Health Care with Cuba's - page 36

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  1. by   HM2VikingRN
    Originally Posted by Hospice Nurse LPN
    I agree with Chatsdale. I have no respect for anyone who puts this great country down!
    Criticism of corporate misbehavior is not criticism of the US government. The purpose of criticism is not to bring the country down it is rather to raise it up.

    Regardless of what you think of Mr. Moore as a man and director I think it is important to consider what he is trying to ask all of us to think about:

    I asked Moore if the movie was intended as an argument for social democracy. His eyes lit up. "That's correct," he said. "You know, it works for the fire department, why can't it work for healthcare? They're both life-and-death issues, and we agree that profit should have no interest at all in how we run our fire department."
    ...

    We "socialize" a lot of things here in America, Moore notes, as clips roll by of police officers and schoolteachers and public libraries. Why not this most crucial and important service?
    ...

    Moore continued, "When you share the pie, sometimes you have to wait for your slice. Sometimes you get the first slice, sometimes you get the third slice, sometimes," Moore chuckled, "you get the last slice. But the important thing is that you get a slice, everybody gets a slice of this pie. That's not what happens in this country."
    "There are no easy answers," Reagan once said, "but there are simple answers." Social democracy as pie. The Gipper himself couldn't have said it better.
    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070716/hayes/2

    In other words health care is a common good that belongs to us all that we need to manage as a society for the common good of all.



    The U.S. spends twice as much as other industrialized nations on health care, $7,129 per capita. Yet our system performs poorly in comparison and still leaves 46 million without health coverage and millions more inadequately covered.
    This is because private insurance bureaucracy and paperwork consume one-third (31 percent) of every health care dollar. Streamlining payment though a single nonprofit payer would save more than $350 billion per year, enough to provide comprehensive, high-quality coverage for all Americans.
    http://www.pnhp.org/
  2. by   Mentuhotep I
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    No, actually, not kidding at all.
    Its actually funny that you were serious with that pedestrian response.

    The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice--and always has been.
    Mark Twain
  3. by   HM2VikingRN
    <H3>Who will run the health care system?

    There is a myth that, with national health insurance, the government will be making the medical decisions. But in a publicly-financed, universal health care system medical decisions are left to the patient and doctor, as they should be. This is true even in the countries like the UK and Spain that have socialized medicine.
    In a public system the public has a say in how it’s run. Cost containment measures are publicly managed at the state level by an elected and appointed body that represents the people of that state. This body decides on the benefit package, negotiates doctor fees and hospital budgets. It also is responsible for health planning and the distribution of expensive technology.
    The benefit package people will receive will not be decided upon by the legislature, but by the appointed body that represents all state residents in consultation with medical experts in all fields of medicine.
    http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepaye...#canada_ration

    Wouldn't you rather have a system where you have real choice to choose your provider instead of that choice being driven by a benefits denial specialist?</H3>
  4. by   HM2VikingRN
    A universal public system would be financed this way: The public financing already funneled to Medicare and Medicaid would be retained. The difference, or the gap between current public funding and what we would need for a universal health care system, would be financed by a payroll tax on employers (about 7%) and an income tax on individuals (about 2%). The payroll tax would replace all other employer expenses for employees’ health care. The income tax would take the place of all current insurance premiums, co-pays, deductibles, and any and all other out of pocket payments. For the vast majority of people a 2% income tax is less than what they now pay for insurance premiums and in out-of-pocket payments such as co-pays and deductibles, particularly for anyone who has had a serious illness or has a family member with a serious illness. It is also a fair and sustainable contribution. Currently, over 41 million people have no insurance and thousands of people with insurance are bankrupted when they have an accident or illness. Employers who currently offer no health insurance would pay more, but they would receive health insurance for the same low rate as larger firms. Many small employers have to pay 25% or more of payroll now for health insurance – so they end up not having insurance at all. For large employers, a payroll tax in the 7% range would mean they would pay less than they currently do (about 8.5%). No employer, moreover, would hold a competitive advantage over another because his cost of business did not include health care. And health insurance would disappear from the bargaining table between employers and employees.
    ...
    Another consideration is that everyone would have the same comprehensive health coverage, including all medical, hospital, eye care, dental care, long-term care, and mental health services. Currently, many people and businesses are paying huge premiums for insurance that is almost worthless if they were to have a serious illness.
    http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepaye...#canada_ration

    In an attempt to move the debate away from Mr. Moore and to the real issues of how to design a better system I posted some links to some resources about single payer.
    Last edit by HM2VikingRN on Jul 5, '07
  5. by   teeituptom
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    Hmmm. I see that you capitalized Canada, France, the UK, and Cuba, but failed to capitalized the word American not once, but 2 times. How telling...
    Says everything I need to know about you!
    yeah It says he types as well as I do, hahahahaha
  6. by   teeituptom
    How do we pay for UHC

    1. Taxes yes, not necessarily more than now. Just take the money from the illegal war we are in.

    2. Specify that certain corporate profits from the overgrown overcharging pharmaceutical companies help support UHC, works for me,

    3. Specify that all the quiet but huge profits from the Insurance companies help pay for the UHC, that works for me also.

    4. They have shown by raising the price of Gas with a 57 cent per gallon gas tax to use for the UHC will fund it almost entirely. And this way everyone helps pay the tax. Non taxpaying citizens, illegals , drug pushers, criminals, everyone has to pay.

    Now if I owned a gas guzzler, I would give it away.
  7. by   Mentuhotep I
    Quote from teeituptom
    yeah It says he types as well as I do, hahahahaha
  8. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from Mentuhotep I
    Its actually funny that you were serious with that pedestrian response.

    The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice--and always has been.
    Mark Twain

    You're just upset that you got called out on it.
  9. by   cardiacRN2006
    Sure you're not upset. That's why you keep responding to my posts.
  10. by   cardiacRN2006
    Hey, whatever excuses you have to tell yourself...
  11. by   nuangel1
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    You're just upset that you got called out on it.
    no you are just being ridiculous and adolescent about what probably is just a typo .and by the way your responses tell me all about you too.ie you don't like it when other people have a difference of opinion than yours.
  12. by   cardiacRN2006
    Umm, ok.
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    About Reggie Cervantes

    Reggie Cervantes worked as a volunteer emergency medical worker at ground zero in the immediate aftermath of the attacks on the twin towers. Cervantes says she suffers from a number of respiratory problems, as well as post traumatic stress disorder, due to the time she spent at the site. Cervantes—who worked as a volunteer emergency medical technician for nine years—travelled to Cuba with filmmaker Michael Moore to receive medical attention. She now lives in Oklahoma City with her two children.

    http://www.pbs.org/now/news/326.html

    Transcript: http://www.pbs.org/now/news/326-transcript.html

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