green card holder studying in the Philippines

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steppybay · Sep 22, 2013

Hi! I am a green card holder and currently studying NURSING here in the Philippines I am getting really confused with what should be my next step after graduating I've read that they are giving a hard time to anyone that graduated outside UNITED STATES. Thank you!

It's not the States that are giving any of the "problems", it's the way the CHED, PRC and PNA are conducting their business as usual. They are the ones that are not complying with many of the State's minimum educational requirements. But then, they (the PH agencies) don't have to do anything about meeting any of the State's requirements, as the concern is what's best for the country, not the USA. They could care less about the mass exodus of PH grads going to the States, which CHED reported that over 33% along want to go to CA (which is a strict enforcing concurrency state) and only a handful have been granted the ATT since Nov. 2011. Those given the ATT after the Nov. 2011 period unless they were 2004 grads are questionable in their transcripts.

I would get a full explanation from all of the three agencies if they will "guarantee" the newer graduating classes will meet the minimum requirements. Maybe they will have changed the curriculums to do so, I kind of doubt it.

What state do you plan to work and practice once you pass the NCLEX-RN? What year are you in?

dianefountain · Sep 23, 2013

I live in CA that's where I want to work and practice. I am under the new curriculum I don't know if that would help. i will be graduating on 2016. I am very confused on what should I do.

ulna · Sep 23, 2013

@steppybay: Hi steppy! I tried to send you a PM asking you a question but your inbox is full. Would you have an email I could contact you with instead? Much appreciated! :)

I live in CA that's where I want to work and practice. I am under the new curriculum I don't know if that would help. i will be graduating on 2016. I am very confused on what should I do.

I was supposedly under the new curriculum too, graduated last year, but was still denied. Like steppy said, I'd try to get a guarantee from all those agencies that you will meet CA's requirements but honestly, if you want my personal opinion, I'd just go back to CA and do my schooling here instead. You still have time, after all. Better safe than sorry and waste years of your education there.

dianefountain · Sep 23, 2013

oh wow really? have you tried other states? I've read some made it and passed but had to stay in that state for a year. i hope someone can read this that would confirm that it is true. thank you for your help. I am considering going back.

steppybay · Sep 23, 2013

@steppybay: Hi steppy! I tried to send you a PM asking you a question but your inbox is full. Would you have an email I could contact you with instead? Much appreciated! :)
I was supposedly under the new curriculum too, graduated last year, but was still denied. Like steppy said, I'd try to get a guarantee from all those agencies that you will meet CA's requirements but honestly, if you want my personal opinion, I'd just go back to CA and do my schooling here instead. You still have time, after all. Better safe than sorry and waste years of your education there.

Go ahead and post your questions here, I used to get so many questions or concerns that everyone is asking me the same questions that's better to answer here so that others can benefit.

steppybay · Sep 23, 2013

oh wow really? have you tried other states? I've read some made it and passed but had to stay in that state for a year. i hope someone can read this that would confirm that it is true. thank you for your help. I am considering going back.

Stay in a state for a year and then what happened? If they got their RN license, then did they endorse that state's license back into CA with no problems?

Yea, if you truly want to be a CA RN, it does make a lot of sense of getting your education in CA for the many reasons as you can see from reading from the many threads on the benefits.

Can you say however, for the time being, that you are taking all your clinicals and theory courses together in the same semester, not months later, not a year or two later?

dianefountain · Sep 23, 2013

well right now we are in ncm 101 we are doing the clinical and theory at the same time.

ulna · Sep 24, 2013

Go ahead and post your questions here, I used to get so many questions or concerns that everyone is asking me the same questions that's better to answer here so that others can benefit.

I was just wondering, with the 3-year compliance from the CA-BON, what happens if you (miraculously) make up your deficiencies after the 3 years? You'd resend all your transcripts but would the made-up subjects still count?

well right now we are in ncm 101 we are doing the clinical and theory at the same time.

I have a friend who said all his theory and clinicals were concurrent but he was still denied. You're just barely starting your schooling, NCM 101 out of NCM 110+ I believe. I'd seriously suggest turning back and studying here instead. It's expensive but at least you're guaranteed to be accepted by the board without any obstructions like many of us.

steppybay · Sep 24, 2013

I was just wondering, with the 3-year compliance from the CA-BON, what happens if you (miraculously) make up your deficiencies after the 3 years? You'd resend all your transcripts but would the made-up subjects still count?

After the third year expiration date, the application will be considered "abandoned", as per the cited CA BRN code listed here: 1410.4. Abandonment of Application

(a) An applicant whose application for examination has been accepted shall be deemed to have abandoned the application if he/she does not take such examination within a two-year period from the date of the written notice of eligibility to take the examination.

(b) An applicant whose application for examination has been rejected shall be deemed to have abandoned the application if he/she does not submit evidence that he/she has removed the deficiencies specified in the written evaluation notice and take an examination within a three-year period from the date of the written evaluation notice.

© An applicant whose application for license without examination has been rejected shall be deemed to have abandoned the application if he/she does not submit evidence that he/she has removed the deficiencies specified in the written evaluation notice within a three-year period from the date of the written evaluation notice.

(d) Submission of additional data, requests for reconsideration or re-evaluation, or other inquiries or statements involving an application shall not extend the respective time periods specified in subdivisions (a), (b), ©, and (e) of this section.

(e) An applicant whose application for license is incomplete shall be deemed to have abandoned the application if he/she does not submit all required documents, data and information within a period of one year from the date of mailing to him/her by the board of a written notice addressed to the last address on file with the board.

(f) An application submitted subsequent to the abandonment of a former application shall be treated as a new application. The applicant must meet all current requirements in effect at the time of reapplication.

Note:

Authority cited: Section 2715, Business and Professions Code. Reference: Section 2732.1, Business and Professions Code. History: 1. Amendment filed 10-17-66; effective thirtieth day thereafter (Register 66, No. 36). For prior history, see Register 66, No. 7. 2. Repealer of subsection (f) and renumbering of subsection (g) to (f) filed 10-10-75; effective thirtieth day thereafter (Register 75, No. 41). 3. Amendment filed 9-27-85; effective thirtieth day thereafter (Register 85, No. 39). 4. Amendment of subsections (a) and (f) filed 10-2-96; operative 11-1-96 (Register 96, No. 40).

So in essence, yes, you will need to re-send all your transcripts plus evidence that you completed the required deficiencies AFTER the 3rd year. You will be re-applying as a new applicant all over again and subjected to any new rules and regulations that may affect the new application.

Would the "made-up subjects" still be counted? I don't know the actual answer to that, I would assume it does and as long it's courses that are from an approved school listed from the CA BRN list and that school was still in good standing at the time of the course completion. Best to write your evaluator so that for the future you have something documented.

steppybay · Sep 24, 2013

I have a friend who said all his theory and clinicals were concurrent but he was still denied. You're just barely starting your schooling, NCM 101 out of NCM 110+ I believe. I'd seriously suggest turning back and studying here instead. It's expensive but at least you're guaranteed to be accepted by the board without any obstructions like many of us.

To the OP: yes, I would highly suggest that you consider taking ulna's advice. The word on the street is that CHED etal has been letting the parents and students know that "everything" is going to be okay. CHED has changed the curriculums to perfectly match the strict CA BRN requirements since the recent changes, but they said that back in 2012 and still that's NOT been the case at all.

It's rumored that the actual possible changes to meet the CA BRN rules will NOT be started till the 2016 first semester of courses. Who knows what to believe? CHED has a tendency to give out information to simply quiet the storm.

It certainly is a big gamble on your part to continue finishing your education in the Phils with no assurances that come graduation time, all your courses will be worth something or just a piece of paper that looks nice if you're still in the Phils and plan to work and practice there versus in CA.

It's another three years or so of your precious time to seriously consider. I would certainly make sure that if you do stay in the Phils to ALWAYS demand that you are able to keep your clinicial and theory courses in the same exact semester, despite the extreme difficulty of trying to match that, no matter what the dean tells you, no matter what the instructors tells you, no matter what the others tells you. If you can put up with that stress, then you should be good to go in CA. However, just know that you're risking your status with the dean, instructors and all your friends. But that's what it's going to take to get your transcripts to look proper.

Any talks of "it's impossible" to do the baby deliveries, cord dressings and etc is going to have to be "possible" in order for you to succeed. This again is where you'll come to clash with everyone around you.