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No. 10
from sunray12
Old Jun 23, 2009, 02:35 PM

Default Re: Rethink my career path: PharmD VS PMH-NP
Lack of autonomy is a leading cause of disappointment/disillusionment across a broad cross section of professional/grad students and ... new graduates. Bottom line - most people are accountable to someone else in their work and just about any job can start to feel mundane and task orientated. It's up to you to decide which of the two career paths you prefer right now.

Assuming that you've probably put a lot of time (and money) into foundational courses in pharmacy school it does make sense to see your investment through however it's your money and only you can decide if that's what you want to spend it.
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No. 11
Old Jun 23, 2009, 05:15 PM

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I agree with ghillibert, shadow first and see.

Also...I wanted to point out that the two fields you're considering seem highly disparate to me.

Pharmacy always struck me as a very dry field, with logical/intellectual bent and little patient interaction. Psych, on the other hand, involves very intense patient interaction and requires more emotional and intuitive skills.

I think you should think more about your personality and values, and decide which way they're directing you.

For the record, I too have been looking at the psych NP (though my clinical in inpatient psych was a negative for me).
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No. 12
from zenman
Old Jun 23, 2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by oohnurse View Post
anyone know why the admission to PMHNP program is less competitive than other NP speciality. Lower salary or narrow scope of practice?
I applied to both FNP and PMHNP programs and they were equal in this regards. With wars and the world falling apart, maybe there is a great need to get more of them.
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No. 13
from RockyCreek
Old Jun 24, 2009, 01:12 PM

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<< On reflection, I do enjoy psychology and like what I "observed" in Psych NP. I enjoyed talking to patient privately. >>

During my early college years, I was pursuing a BSN with a minor in Psych because I really thought I had a 'calling' to the field. It was a very observant intructor that noticed that I was only average in dealing with truly disurbed patients but very good at teaching. She encouraged me to tutor fellow students and then to consider teaching once I had an MSN. Maybe this is a direction that you could consider if you enjoy teaching pathology, making pharmacology undertandable and demystifying calculations!

Best of luck in whichever decision you make!
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No. 14
Old Jun 25, 2009, 10:26 PM

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I think you need to talk to Psych NPs more in depth and even some psychiatrists. I am on the fence about a PsychNP program (been accepted, but already have my FNP) but because of family scheduling issues not due to lack of interest in it. Psych NPs are in demand and a big part of their job is med management from what I have observed and heard.

PharmDs make what seem to me a lot of money for work that is largely routine (according to my pharmacy friends) but hey the money is good and it certainly suits some people more than others.

Just like psych isn't everybody's cup of tea.
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No. 15
from oohnurse
Old Aug 05, 2009, 12:06 PM
Updated Aug 05, 2009 at 12:28 PM by oohnurse

Default Re: Rethink my career path: PharmD VS PMH-NP
Thanks guys for input. School is starting in two weeks and I still can't make decision. Some NPs (not psych NP) encourage me to stay in pharmacy school mainly because of the higher workload and being on call and compensation. Ha.. I hate to be indecisive. Basically, I didn't do anything productive this summer other than being indecisive.

I just started working in psych unit last week. I like talking to patient but I don't like workload as a staff Psych RN. Staff psych RNs don't have the opportunity to perform "official" psychotherapy due to workload. I am working again this Friday and I will do my best to listen to "my inner voice" or "gut feeling", even if I may not be able to shadow an NP in time before school starts.

At least, the peer environment will be different for sure. The classroom won't be full of 20s year old like PharmD. My inner voice said that "I like artistic and humanistic materials. I want career that is more than a job. I am a intuitive feeler, not a strong sensing/thinking type" I might have to give up the artistic and free-spirited part of me if I decide to continue with pharmacy school. Another practical voice is saying "Science is more prestigious and predictable than arts. Pharmacy school is more scientifically intellectual. Pharmacy is a diverse career path. I can also do research/teaching etc if I don't like routine... Jobs are jobs... It's ok as long as you don't hate it.
You're an introvert... pharmacy may be better choice due to my introvert personality"
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No. 16
from elkpark
Old Aug 05, 2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oohnurse View Post
Staff psych RNs don't have the opportunity to perform "official" psychotherapy due to workload.
Staff psych RNs do not have the educational preparation or credentials to perform "'official' psychotherapy" -- it is outside the scope of practice for generalist RNs, according to the larger nursing community. Graduate level education is the minimum preparation for psychotherapists (in any of the mental health disciplines) -- in the case of nurses, that means psych CNSs and NPs (only).

(BWT, for what it's worth, I'm incredibly introverted, and have had a v. successful and satisfying career as (first) a staff nurse in psych and (later) a psych CNS.)
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No. 17
from oohnurse
Old Aug 05, 2009, 05:27 PM
Updated Aug 05, 2009 at 05:39 PM by oohnurse

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Originally Posted by elkpark View Post
(BWT, for what it's worth, I'm incredibly introverted, and have had a v. successful and satisfying career as (first) a staff nurse in psych and (later) a psych CNS.)
Thanks for reply. I can see why being an introvert is not too bad for psych setting. I think psych requires good listening and introverted/reflective thinking. Congrats on your successful/satisfying career. The bad part of me is that I am the kind of thin-skinned introvert that is really sensitive to criticism... which could be a problematic when the job is more relationship-focused.....I need to be emotionally stronger..
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No. 18
Old Aug 10, 2009, 06:33 PM

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Just wondering what aspects of a career in pharmacy drove you to apply and start the pharmacy program? Have those desires changed since you have been in school a year? Personally, I would finish the pharmD degree and pay off your loans with the salary you earn. Then after a few years, if you are miserable and cannot find a creative use for your degree (perhaps teaching?), then look at other options. Just my 2 cents...
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No. 19
from oohnurse
Old Aug 10, 2009, 09:26 PM
Updated Aug 10, 2009 at 09:38 PM by oohnurse

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Originally Posted by SandBetweenMyToes View Post
Just wondering what aspects of a career in pharmacy drove you to apply and start the pharmacy program? Have those desires changed since you have been in school a year?
Sorry…. this is quite lengthy. And, I am also at risk of revealing my identity here.

I had a degree in a foreign language and literature before coming to the US. I restarted my undergrad here. I started the pre-pharmacy course before nursing school. Because of not having money and being a foreign student without the benefit of the in-state tuition rate in pharmacy school, I went to nursing school instead. Due to my introverted personality and lack of confidence secondary to being a non-native speaker, I felt unsuccessful at work or previously at school. Consequently, I was burnt out and began taking music courses at a local college part-time to mentally “escape” from my job. Instead of finding other jobs and researching other nursing options like NP track, I finally resigned from my job and started music school full-time for a few semesters (of course, this was an “escape” to make me feel good)while studying for PCAT (pharmacy entrance exam). I was not working for while.

My decision to apply to pharmacy is the combination of seeking the feeling of accomplishment of attaining my original goal of getting into pharmacy school and wanting to find a “quick” fix to make me feel better about myself after “feeling” unsuccessful for the last few years. Not working for a few months, I feel that pharmacy school is easier to get into because my grades and PCAT scores are the main part of admission process.

Being shy and afraid of criticism had discouraged my optimism about patient and co-worker interaction in nursing. As a result, I had the wrong
self-perception that I would rather doing “routine jobs” rather than jobs which my success will depending on intense personal interaction like nursing.

I was accepted at a local in-state pharmacy school. After shadowing a retail pharmacist at Walgreen, I fear that pharmacy may not match my personality. Again, instead of thinking carefully, I chose to attend an expensive local private pharmacy school that offer the combo degree “PharmD/PhD”, which was not offered at the in-state school. I failed to get in the PhD program. I also found that I was not that type of nerdy scientist who likes impersonal details and logics in science. I hate physics and labs. Boom.. another failure!! Or.. maybe.. I am lucky. If I went to the much cheaper local in-state pharmacy school, I may not be thinking deeply about myself right now. The financial and time investments make me “paranoid” about making another wrong career choice and pressure me to think about myself/my personality..
I am introverted. I may appear aloof to others but I am not nerdy/geeky. Internally, I am very emotional and sensitive and seek connections with people. The fear of criticism, shyness, and my sensitivity, not the nerdy personality, made me afraid of people-oriented jobs. If I can gain a little more confidence and assertiveness, I will change to be myself. My skin has been thicker over the last two years though… I also found that I don’t like routine/detailed- jobs and a structured/task-oriented environment, which are the main reason I am dissatisfied with bedside nursing jobs. It’s not the human interaction part. If I can get over the fear of negative criticism, my ideal jobs would have a relationship-focused, intuitive, spontaneous environment. However, I could not make a living being a musician or teaching literature… Therefore, I think psychology/psychiatry is the only thing in medical field that would be a good compromise between the ideal and the practicality.



Originally Posted by SandBetweenMyToes View Post
Personally, I would finish the pharmD degree and pay off your loans with the salary you earn. Then after a few years, if you are miserable and cannot find a creative use for your degree (perhaps teaching?), then look at other options. Just my 2 cents...
It would take more than a few years even if I earn six figures!! Yes, regardless of the fields, teaching is always the area I am interested in. But you can teach in any fields. I think I would have to like career in general, not just teaching. Pharmacy is more practical. However, if I want something that match the personality type then psych or other fields in humanity would fit me better..
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