ADN vs BSN Managers

  1. 0 Don't get me wrong. I'm an ADN. However, our nurse manager is an ADN in a BSN program. What I was curious about is what difference you think an ADN vs BSN has when in management. Our manager seems to have multiple faults including blatant favoritism, back-stabbing and diarrhea of the mouth. What experiences have you had with each and do you think it really matters in the long run?:spin:
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    From 'Texas'; Joined Apr '06; Posts: 35; Likes: 14.

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  4. Visit  SuesquatchRN profile page
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    I think that your manager's issues have nothing to do with her education and everything to do with her character.
    VivaLasViejas, Lizzy6, wooh, and 8 others like this.
  5. Visit  PMFB-RN profile page
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    Quote from CrispyRN
    Don't get me wrong. I'm an ADN. However, our nurse manager is an ADN in a BSN program. What I was curious about is what difference you think an ADN vs BSN has when in management. Our manager seems to have multiple faults including blatant favoritism, back-stabbing and diarrhea of the mouth. What experiences have you had with each and do you think it really matters in the long run?:spin:
    *** My old nurse manager had a PhD and behaved the same as yours. I think it has nothing at all to do with their education. I also don't think it matters at all wether a manger has an ADN, BSN, MSN, or PhD. A good manager is a good manager.
    VivaLasViejas and SuesquatchRN like this.
  6. Visit  rn-jane profile page
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    I agree.
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  7. Visit  time4meRN profile page
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    Has nothing to do with her education. I've had wounderful ADN, Diploma nurse managers and terrible BSN managers. It depends on the person.
    lindarn and SuesquatchRN like this.
  8. Visit  ebear profile page
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    I also agree that it has nothing to do with the degree one has. It has everything to do with the ability to understand people and situations, fairness, and professionalism, as well as technical skills. A degree does not a manager make.
  9. Visit  llg profile page
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    I totally agree that a bad person with a lot of education is still a bad person ... and a good person with less formal education is still a good person.

    However ... education provides people (good or bad) with knowledge and tools that can be used on the job. The best person to be the manager would be a good person with the knowledge and tools that an advanced education can provide.
    Freedom42, RN4NICU, and wooh like this.
  10. Visit  CrispyRN profile page
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    True...her personality has everything to do with it. I just thought more education, classes...something would help! I'm very disappointed in her actions, but don't really want to leave my job. With the rate of turnover for managers on our unit she'll be done in another year or so. I'll just do MY JOB until then!
  11. Visit  ebear profile page
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    Doesn't your hospital provide management classes for the NM's? These are ongoing and are required in my area of the woods.
    Just hold on. I'll bet this too will pass! GOOD LUCK!!!!
  12. Visit  CrispyRN profile page
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    She has talked about management classes, but I don't know for sure if she has gone.
  13. Visit  ebear profile page
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    Well, if she has, it sounds like they didn't "take".
  14. Visit  SuesquatchRN profile page
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    Crispy, just don't let her fry your already charred butt anymore.

    Rise above.

    And fuhgedaboudid.
  15. Visit  Selke profile page
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    Seems like the problem ultimately is with management above her who hired her for the job. They should have known about her character/behavior before promoting her, yet they promoted her anyway ... tolerating that kind of idiocy doesn't make them look good. Wait until half the RNs quit because of her. Maybe the entire management at the hospital is of really poor quality. FWIW, if an ADN is promoted into management, I'd think it would be a condition of the job for her to finish a BSN and get a graduate degree. (As well as stopping her junior high schoolgirl behavior.) Managers need to be wise enough to not act from or be manipulated by the cliques and gossip on the floor but be completely above all that to see the bigger picture and deal fairly with everyone.
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