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Should i go over my manager's head - page 4

I have been having issues with my manager for a while now, and i am reaching the point of no return. I think she wants to get rid of me and i dont know what to do. I started on this floor as a new RN... Read More

  1. Visit  RN in training profile page
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    So as a nursing student, I'm hearing from you that consistent hand hygeine and common courtesy are not actually important on the floor. Is this what you mean to be saying?
  2. Visit  luvmyhubbybunches profile page
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    At my last hospital managers were required to go to at least one room that we were assigned and ask pt how they felt about the care they were receiving. We also could not have any drinks ANYWHERE but the break room. If they found drink, it was trashed immediately, no questions asked. Also, handwashing has and should always be a biggy! HCAPS is here to stay and when a hospital's reimbursement depends on those scores, you can bet it is only going to get worse.
  3. Visit  canned_bread profile page
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    Although I have never been in this situation before, personally I would mention it to the union with the other nurses support, and then go further. Just have the unions support behind you (I'm not a huge union person, but they are there for a reason)
  4. Visit  Kooky Korky profile page
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    Quote from Do-over
    I've just got to add (as a former manager in a totally unrelated field) that if "everyone" "loves" the "sweetheart" of a manager... Well, then that manager is probably not terribly effective. If everyone likes you, then you aren't doing your job.

    Managers aren't there to win popularity contests - they are there to manage and ensure that things happen according to the company plan. Its not an easy job, especially when it is done well...

    And, sometimes people need and deserve to be fired - even if they've been around for a hundred years. It is never easy or fun ot fire someone, and maybe the new sheriff in town will take care of some things that the former manager let slide.
    If a manager is well-liked, maybe it's because she's a happy person, not a psycho who wants to hurt others or strut about like a power-mad dictator. Maybe she trusts her staff and respects them and doesn't breathe down their necks, is available for counsel, consultation, guidance, can be approached without staff having to fear they'll be looked down upon for seeking help, and so on. Oh, gee, it sounds like the land of Oz, sorry.
  5. Visit  Teacher Sue profile page
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    Another thing to remember if you are going to meet with your nurse manager is to take ownership of the problem. When I have had to coach staff, I find that those individuals who are accountable and willing to take at least part of the responsibility for the situation show improvement. Those who come into a coaching session with the attitude that all of the issues are someone else's fault will not be willing to work to improve their own behaviors.
  6. Visit  RNfaster profile page
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    If you want to stay in the position, I'd work at getting on your new manager's good side. Thank her when she offers you the critical feedback and adjust your behavior based on that. You might even talk with her and let her know you want to start anew. If you go over her head, you might get into more hot water. The items she wrote you up for were valid. No one is perfect...everyone makes a mistake. If she caught a miss, just own up to it and be more careful... She may be going after you harder per your attitude. Let go of it. It's doing you no good... It can be hard to do...but it will likely only help you...

    Good luck!
  7. Visit  Do-over profile page
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    Quote from Kooky Korky
    If a manager is well-liked, maybe it's because she's a happy person, not a psycho who wants to hurt others or strut about like a power-mad dictator. Maybe she trusts her staff and respects them and doesn't breathe down their necks, is available for counsel, consultation, guidance, can be approached without staff having to fear they'll be looked down upon for seeking help, and so on. Oh, gee, it sounds like the land of Oz, sorry.
    Well, that is easy enough if one believes that management is always wrong/evil/stupid/corrupt and that the "little guy" is always getting the shaft...

    If anyone knows of a place where all employees behave like adults and no one ever needs discipline - send me a PM so I know where to submit my resume.

    Still, my personal experience in life (and this ain't my first rodeo) is that "psycho" managers are more in the minority and are far outnumbered by mediocre to sub-par employees. But, I am certainly not saying it doesn't happen - I've seen it and have had to clean up the considerable mess left behind.

    FWIW, which is probably not much, my manager is well-liked and respected by me. I don't mind when she shows up on the off-shift (because I am not screwing around on my I-phone all night). I also appreciate the chance to work with her. At the same time, I know there are others who think she is on a crazy power-trip. Perhaps the same ones that are too busy updating facebook to answer call-lights?

    PS-for political correctness - I am not implying that the OP is mediocre or sub-par.
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  8. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from Kooky Korky
    If a manager is well-liked, maybe it's because she's a happy person, not a psycho who wants to hurt others or strut about like a power-mad dictator. Maybe she trusts her staff and respects them and doesn't breathe down their necks, is available for counsel, consultation, guidance, can be approached without staff having to fear they'll be looked down upon for seeking help, and so on. Oh, gee, it sounds like the land of Oz, sorry.
    I was thinking along those lines, too. There is a lot that is unsaid about the incidents the OP related. I don't know where people got the idea that the manager who was retired was fired, that patients were complaining about poor care, or that the OP is setting a bad example for student nurses reading this thread because she was written up for not washing her hands and being rude to students when I don't think we have enough detail about those events to say for sure at this point. I do know that it never hurts to tell your new unit (if you are the new manager) things to smooth your path as far as different styles, different personaiities.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Apr 30, '12
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  9. Visit  Kooky Korky profile page
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    Quote from Do-over
    Well, that is easy enough if one believes that management is always wrong/evil/stupid/corrupt and that the "little guy" is always getting the shaft...

    If anyone knows of a place where all employees behave like adults and no one ever needs discipline - send me a PM so I know where to submit my resume.

    Still, my personal experience in life (and this ain't my first rodeo) is that "psycho" managers are more in the minority and are far outnumbered by mediocre to sub-par employees. But, I am certainly not saying it doesn't happen - I've seen it and have had to clean up the considerable mess left behind.

    FWIW, which is probably not much, my manager is well-liked and respected by me. I don't mind when she shows up on the off-shift (because I am not screwing around on my I-phone all night). I also appreciate the chance to work with her. At the same time, I know there are others who think she is on a crazy power-trip. Perhaps the same ones that are too busy updating facebook to answer call-lights?

    PS-for political correctness - I am not implying that the OP is mediocre or sub-par.
    I don't believe managers are always wrong, evil, etc. I just have seen my share of people who were unhappy in their personal lives and brought that to the job. I've known of managers having illicit relations with subordinates or with their superiors, managers who were drug-addicted, stealing, drinking, and so on. In other words, managers who were not in any position to lead, to do evaluations, to be role models or coaches, managers who knew only how to do write-up's.


    Let me add that staff who work nights or evenings or only weekends do it for various reasons. Like maybe it's a 2nd job or there are babysitting/child care reasons, or transportation reasons. Or maybe the worker is just a natural night owl or evening bloomer. Does everyone who isn't on M-F day shift have to be hiding out or
    hiding some terrible secret?

    Wow, what a scary attitude. Who should care for the patients on Eve's and Nights? It's like people thinking that teachers can't actually do anything. I guess some people might be hiding out, but not all off-shift workers are doing that.

    I ask those here who hold this view to think a little more broadly - and more charitably. And thank off-shift workers for being there for the patients at whatever hour necessary.
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  10. Visit  Ladybluebell profile page
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    I did what most of you here thought i should do and went to my manager. We had our meeting today and it started off ok. She said she was glad i came to her. She said she values my experience. then she gave me this list of her expectations and had me sign apaper she called a comitment to my coworkers about getting along with everybody. She said we can meet evey 2 weeks to "reveiw' my performance. I agreed to all of this. I signed her paper. After all of this she still wouldnt sign my step two renewal. So after i "humbled" myself and jumped though her hoops, i got nowhere anyway. She said i need to show "sustained improvement" and she will reveiw my step two in six months. So that means i will take a 5 percent pay cut. I will do what i need to do here for now, but as soonas i find another job, im gone.
  11. Visit  Patti_RN profile page
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    BlueBell, this is probably the best outcome you should expect. I outlined this in my advice to you and suggested that you try to achieve the goals that your manager would develop for you. This is 'step 1' in the process, and the easiest of all the steps to accomplish. It's easy to make promises; more difficult to carry through with them.

    Your manager sees some deficiencies in your work; it seems she's very concerned about your ability to get along with others. When you meet with her in two weeks, she'll give you feedback about your progress. Even at the two week mark, you're far from 'out of the woods'. It's very realistic to expect her to consider signing your step-two renewal in 6 months--after you've not only shown change, but become reliable in that change.

    From a management point of view, if she was considering terminating you it would be very difficult to go to her supervisors and request that you be let go if she had just promoted you or given you a salary increase. That would be very inconsistent and would look extremely indecisive on her part... like, "Last month you gave her a raise, and now you want to fire her?!?!?!"

    Clearly, you manager had some serious issues with your work and ability to get along with colleagues. Had you not gone to her you probably would have been unemployed in the near future. If you can make significant changes and maintain those new work habits you'll be OK. If not, you would likely take your bad work habits with you to a new employer and find yourself in the same situation. History has a way of repeating itself if you don't make decisive and genuine changes.
  12. Visit  Teacher Sue profile page
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    If you went to your manager only to get your clinical advancement renewed, instead of with a sincere desire to improve, you have already failed. Of coursr I am seeing this from a manager's perspective, but it does seem like you are not taking responsibility for your actions. You need to take ownership of your practice instead of blaming all of your problems on your manager. Perhaps your manager is being unreasonable, I can't say since I only know what you have posted here. It would be interesting to hear her side of the issues. I am assuming there is a lot more to this story. It is also natural to put things in your own perspective, and try to put yourself in the best light.

    The "Commitment to my Coworkers" is used by many nursing units as a part of Relationship Based care. I am sure you can search this site, or Google to find out more about RBC.
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  13. Visit  rgroyer1RNBSN profile page
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    This manager is either having problems because she is new and having problems adjusting and is just trying as hard as she can and shes just having a hard time this is especially true if shes trying to juggle being manager for two units

    you did say shes manager of another unit also, now either this is the problem in which case try alot to be a real team player give it 110 percent and be extra nice to her and offer her as much help as possible she may be overwhelmed, I know how it goes I am nurse manager of the er and sicu,
    I use to only be the ed nurse manager and supervisor,
    it was overwhelming enough just with the ed, then I somehow ended up with sicu, talk about overwhelming.
    I will also get out and work some shifts on the floor with my nurses to see how they are doing, and I will work as a charge nurse or staff nurse to keep upon my skills.
    My nurses really appreciate and love when I work the floor, as it gives them extra help and gives me a chance to see how there doing and brush up on my skills.
    Now either shes overwhelmed, or shes on a power trip.
    I would have written you up for the same two infractions as she did as they are very unproffesional.
    If you really did do these infractions and she did'nt make them up to try to get rid of you if she does'nt like you and is on a powertrip and shes trying to can you, in any case I still would not go above her head to the cno, because if the cno does'nt act or do anything.
    This woman could and potentially probabley will make your life a living hell until you either quit or ahe finds something miniscule to can you over, and believe me she probabley will, as this woman sounds like our nurse manager on 3 west med-surg-ortho-neurospine at my hospital bexause she is a complete witch but with a CAPITAL B INSTEAD OF W.

    I have had 3 yes that is 3 of my best veteran nurses 2 RN's and 1 LPN who have been excellent nurses on my units for probabley 10+ years, float down there to 3W, and either 1 of 2 things happens they either come back in tears or with a write up.
    I volunteered one night myself to float down to 3W myself just to see for myself how it was, since she was short 3 nurses and believe me this woman is a complete ***, she belittles nurses and screams at them right out in the hall in front of god and everyone, she did this to me. Yes I floated down there as a staff nurse and I am a nurse manager myself and she was like that to me, so now I am punishing her because it will be a cold day in **** before I float down there or I let any of my staff I don't care if she's ao short she has to work the whole floor herself because I refuse and will not subject myself or any of staff to this cow from hell anyday.
    Shes unproffesional and my staff are all wonderful I hardly ever have problems with my staff and I greatly appreciate them and love them all as we are one big family and I would never scream at any of my staff in public, it is highley unproffesional and disrespectfull period.
    I won't subject any of my staff to this, sounds like you have her sister for a manager lol.
    I have had a chat with our cno about ours since I am a nurse manager myself and have just as much power as the witch but it did'nt work, our CNO did diddly sqaut about this woman, thats why I would suggest not going over you managers head.
    See about transferring to another floor/unit with a nicer MN, thats my best advice for you, as this one manager could target you and ruin your career all it takes is one person like her and bam that could be the end of your career.

    Best wishes and good luck my fellow nurse, friend, and sister.
    Rod RN, BSN, MSN, ED/SICU Nurse manager and supervisor.
    Last edit by dianah on May 9, '12 : Reason: Formatting/Terms of Service: use all *s


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