A patient wants to know your thoughts on frequent fliers...

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First of all, forgive me, as I'm sure this will be a long post. Also, it's my first... so hello.

To be clear, as the subject states, I am a patient and not a nurse. But given my history I'm thinking more and more that being an RN would be a particularly suitable and fulfilling career for me.

I am a 22 year old male who has had cluster headaches for the past 3 years. For those of you who may be unfamiliar with the condition, it is an exceedingly painful neurological disorder primarily characterized by extreme pain on one side of the head which is also sometimes accompanied by tearing/drooping/reddening of the eye and/or congestion or rhinorrea (all on the same side as the pain). Attacks generally occur multiple times a day, usually anywhere from 1-2 to >10. The intensity of the pain is markedly greater than that of most other conditions, both neurological and otherwise. The majority of women sufferers say the pain is much worse than childbirth, and cluster headaches are thought to be among the most painful conditions known to medical science. Usually if I have a headache bad enough to require emergency treatment, it makes me so agitated that I have to pace around the waiting room. I have banged my head against the walls and pulled out chunks of my own hair, and this is mild compared to what some other sufferers do to themselves during an attack. (That said, it's not a competition. All chronic pain conditions are hard to live with. I was merely explaining the degree of pain I usually find myself in.)

Most cluster patients are episodic, and experience their headaches in "clusters" of 8-10 weeks and afterwards may have weeks, months, or even years of remission. Some, like me, are chronic, and get no break. I have had at least one headache (generally five) every day since they began, with the exception of one brief and partial remission.

I have been in the ER an obscene amount of times since my headaches started. Last year, I was there 26 times. I suppose when I consider the sheer number number of attacks I have every year (I figured it out once... I get almost 2,000 distinct headaches A YEAR), it doesn't seem so bad. But compared to normal people, that's insane. I know it, believe me, I do. To make matters worse for my anxiety over having to go so often, I receive dilaudid every time (plus toradol) and without any physical evidence of my pain, naturally I am terrified of being labeled a drug seeker.

Here's the thing, though. The ER is by no means my primary care facility. Given the severity of my condition, I have literally been all over the country trying to find a solution. Cleveland Clinic, Thomas Jefferson, neurologists and headache specialists in NYC near home. I have been on 40 [non-narcotic] preventative medications that have all had varying degrees of failure, and about as many abortives. I have a home oxygen tank to try and abort attacks, and I've had procedures done, mostly glorified nerve blocks. I have done a few inpatient stints for various treatments done through IVs over a period of a few days (intravenous dihydroergotamine, for those interested). Really and truly everything. Furthermore, I have a note from my primary headache doctor (who is different than my actual PCP) that says "[This patient] is under my care for the treatment of chronic cluster headache. He has [these medications] at home but occasionally requires ED treatment. [These medications in these amounts] usually abort an attack." Most doctors follow this without much question, especially with my extensive chart they can easily access. I also hope that it goes without saying that I follow all discharge instructions, although usually I'm not really given any besides "go and see your doctor."

I guess I didn't really have to tell you all of that to ask my question, but I think much like how I feel when I land in the ER AGAIN, I often speak in self-defense. Which is probably wholly unnecessary. But really, how can I tell you that I've been in the ER about 12 times since 2013 started without explaining how a person could need that kind of treatment so often?

I would like to clarify that with few exceptions, I have been treated with nothing but kindness, sympathy, and respect from all staff. In fact, the only issues I've ever had were with doctors, and that was only one or two times of so many. In turn, I like to think that I treat the ER staff with the same kindness they treat me. (I can be a bit snippy when I'm still in that amount of pain, but I'm never rude, just agitated as I mentioned above.) I have never been labeled a drug-seeker, to the best of my knowledge. But I can't help but wonder what everyone really thinks when I show up again. Sometimes I worry that I'll stop being treated in the ER altogether.

So please, tell me, what do you think when you come across a patient like me? I really want to know. I understand my circumstances might cause some to be skeptical or flat-out disbelieving, and I always want to make sure I'm doing anything and everything I can to help minimize as much of that as possible. I guess the secondary question is, what else can I be doing?

As an aside, I recently went into pain management with an incredibly compassionate and knowledgeable doctor who is the best I've seen in a very long time. I'm hopeful that this will cut down, if not eliminate, the ER visits.

For those of you who read all of that, I commend and thank you.

Good thing being a drug seeker can't account for my beet-red left eye, the tearing, and swelling and drooping, or the fact that I can't breathe through my left nostril during an attack.

I'm very sorry you were turned into a cynic somewhere along your career or your life, and I guess I'm lucky that most of the doctors I've run into are not. While I appreciate it deeply when nurses do not treat me as such, if they do it's not the end of the world because ultimately my treatment is not their call. Regardless, the difference between a good and bad nurse is the difference between a beneficial and a much-less-beneficial trip to the ER, as the added stress from skepticism being imposed on me usually only worsens things. Fortunately, you are so far the only one who has felt like that.

Being a college student, I know a fair few drug (ab)users/addicts. It would seem that the extent to which I have gone to see doctors, have procedures, be on all of these other medications (etc.) is far too much work for someone looking for a fix. I guess you can't underestimate the desperation of addiction, but there are easier ways to get drugs. That's a fact.

Despite what you may think, there is no way to feign the hopelessness, misery, and all of the other mental anguish that comes along with having such a debilitating pain condition. You can't feign the wasting that comes from barely being able to leave your bed to eat, or the brilliant white your skin turns from hardly seeing the sun. Whether or not they are strictly physical, the most debilitating of any CP condition takes its toll on the sufferer's body as well as their mind.

And yes, Esme, I do totally get where you came to that average from. Yep, it has averaged out to once every 10-14 days. I was just explaining the usual pattern of my headaches.

Once again I thank you all for the responses!

This is a test post... was trying to upload an image of my eye during an attack for anyone who was interested and was having issues, so really just seeing if this goes through.

EDIT: Okay, the post went through, but can someone help out here? I intended to upload an image of what my eye usually looks like at the onset of an attack that I had taken a few weeks ago for my doctor. I just figured if anyone were interested in seeing it (as images of such are not common online) then I'd be happy to share. I tried uploading it directly from my computer but it says I do not have permission to do such. Is this because of my small number of posts or....?

Thanks!

I think you need to stop worrying about what others think about you. All that matters is you seem like you are getting the treatment you need. Do we have drug seekers?? Of course, but i think nurses and doctors are pretty good about sniffing them from miles away. For every 100 patients we get for chronic pain issues, i'd say only a few are true drug seekers. Alot of them i believe abuse the system. For example, if a patient tells me their pain is a 10/10 and they are resting comfortably, watching TV, talkin on the phone or surfing the web that is abuse of the system. Yes, that person probably does have pain but is it REALLY a 10/10?? Now..if i have a patient who has physial signs of pain, i.e. Moaning, gaurding, rubbing, screaming, crying then i will believe it is a 10/10 and treat it as such. If they felt you were seeking drugs they would take further action and talk to your neurologist or PCP. We have ways of handeling drug seekers, and it doesn't sound like they are doing that to you.

Just stop worrying about what nurses/doctors think about you. It doesn't matter, you know you have pain. If anyone tries to minimize it or not give you the necessary treatment then report them.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
This is a test post... was trying to upload an image of my eye during an attack for anyone who was interested and was having issues, so really just seeing if this goes through.

EDIT: Okay, the post went through, but can someone help out here? I intended to upload an image of what my eye usually looks like at the onset of an attack that I had taken a few weeks ago for my doctor. I just figured if anyone were interested in seeing it (as images of such are not common online) then I'd be happy to share. I tried uploading it directly from my computer but it says I do not have permission to do such. Is this because of my small number of posts or....?

Thanks!

Thank you for offering the picture....however, We cannot offer legal advice....and I think you misunderstand what we are saying...we are not doubting your illness, nor the validity of your complaints.

Unfortunately.....we deal with the general public and just like a beaten dog we will growl and flinch at a raised fist. Unfortunately.....the few legitimate patients will pay for the majority seekers we see. I have a chronic condition and I will suffer in pain before going to the ED because I think I how they think. I would rather suffer than bother the ED.

We are only trying to answer your question to maybe give you a little insight that it isn't personal....there have also been regulation changes with the government breathing down everyone's back about excessive usage and prescribing of narcotics....it is CRAZY and this will only get worse with OBAMA care.....especially with the IRS overseeing it. REPORT THEM!

There may be easier ways to get drugs....but some seekers have a secondary gain for telling everyone how horrible their pain was that they had to go to the ED.

Here is the point...you have poorly controlled pain. As a chronic illness sufferer of a rare disease...I know your pain .....I am all too aware of "The look" those rolled eyes and audible sigh with that insulting.....we will do our best or when handed Tylenol for pain when your B/P is 180/100 .....or whatever the case is when you suffer from an unusual disease that no one knows that took almost 10 years to get diagnosed with and have many challenges because of it.....I get it, I really do.

If you were treated poorly then report the facility or offenders to the administration. Kill them with the patient survey. Knock on more MD doors to get you some relief and I agree with Caitlyn.....STOP worrying about what they think.

President Bush said recently to Matt Lauer.......Don't let the loud voices get you!

I wish you the best.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.
For example, if a patient tells me their pain is a 10/10 and they are resting comfortably, watching TV, talkin on the phone or surfing the web that is abuse of the system. Yes, that person probably does have pain but is it REALLY a 10/10?? Now..if i have a patient who has physial signs of pain, i.e. Moaning, gaurding, rubbing, screaming, crying then i will believe it is a 10/10 and treat it as such.

Here's the thing. Chronic migraine sufferers hardly ever look like the second description. They mostly look like the first description, even the teens. They are experts at using distraction to deal with their pain. The OPs outward management of his pain is really an anomaly among migraine pts. Migraine specialists avoid narcotics to treat anyway. They use DHE, beta blockers, anti seizure meds, and teach a wide array of nutritional and behavior and environmental mgmt techniques to help pts.

OP, I sent you a PM. :)

Esme, you'll have to forgive me... I have no idea what you're talking about with "offering legal advice"??? I wasn't asking for any... not trying to be combative, I just really don't have the slightest idea which post or part of my post you're referring to.

dudette, I will respond later on tonight, thank you for sending it!

Specializes in critical care.

Love, allow me to share with you a perspective of a nursing student who is a chronic pain sufferer. I fell late last year, and discovered as a result that I have fractures in my spine that appear on my x-rays to be very old fractures. I can remember having pain all the way back to 8 years of age, so they are labeling it congenital. My fall pushed my spine forward just enough that I am in chronic daily pain that requires varying degrees of medication.

Because I am in nursing school, I have to choose wisely when I make any changes to my meds. If I have an increase in pain nowhere near a long weekend, break, or semester's end, I just have to deal with it. I can't let the change in medications kill my grades or this work will have been for nothing. I have to have special consideration to continue in clinical experiences. I had to fight my tail off to keep my seat and gain the blessing of my neurosurgeon. I may be approached this summer for further evidence that I will be cleared for duty this fall. I am afraid. I have had a horrible several weeks that have resulted in tear-filled phone calls to my neurosurgery office's NP to figure out how I can manage to keep this under control. The real kicker is it appears I have issues in my neck, too. My initial diagnosis was in my low back, but now I'm having issues with my neck that are radiating into my shoulders and arms. My NP chooses to treat neuropathy with neurontin. That stuff makes me so stupid. I will be in the middle of a sentence and lose the ability to recall works I want to use. I understand this is a somewhat normal experience on that medication. So do I push through the pain? Or do I treat it with a medication that does affect my ability to function?

Even when I am not at school, my life is centered around deciding whether I would rather deal with side effects or pain that day. Imagine that on a school or clinical day, when there isn't actually time to deal with either one. I just have to keep going. I have many days when I do genuinely feel I am suffering from a chronic condition. Had I received this diagnosis before beginning the program, I would have gone into health education instead. Nursing is so, so hard. It doesn't help when you go into it with a handicap. But..... as has already been mentioned in this thread, I have a unique perspective into the experience of a chronic pain sufferer that others may not understand the same way. Even the most compassionate nurse on the planet, no matter how much he wants to say he understands, he simply wont be able to appreciate this experience in the same way. I do feel like this will ultimately impact my ability to be a better nurse. Is been there, done that experience really worth it though? My answer to that changes daily. Heck, sometimes it changes hourly.

Anyway, I hope this perspective can help you with deciding about nursing school or some other path. I am so sorry to be such a debbie downer but I do believe a little reality is good when going in with open eyes. If you do decide nursing school is your path, know that others do get through successfully, and I can also tell you that the taste of success is even sweeter when you have to fight so much harder to achieve it. Good luck to you, and I hope your new doc can help you get a successful regimen with bearable side effects. It is such a shame to be so young and to carry such a burden. You are welcome to PM me any time if you'd like support.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

I've had debilitating migraines that started when I was in grade school. I can completely understand dealing with the kind of pain you describe, but when you seem to be the slightest security threat to staff (e.g. agitation, irritability), that's a problem. As miserable as I felt with my migraines, and there were times I thought I was having a stroke they were so bad, I knew I had to maintain my composure. It wasn't going to help my case to get difficult with the staff, no matter how miserable I felt.

You need to get your headaches under control before you plan on going to nursing school. You can't be going to the ED with that frequency; it's going to interfere with your classroom and clinical. In addition, you'll need to get on a stable medication regimen. That way you won't be in the ED so frequently, and your quality of life will be much better.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Esme, you'll have to forgive me... I have no idea what you're talking about with "offering legal advice"??? I wasn't asking for any... not trying to be combative, I just really don't have the slightest idea which post or part of my post you're referring to.

dudette, I will respond later on tonight, thank you for sending it!

I drifted for a moment....:banghead:medical advice....medical....:o. I was only trying to commiserate with you that we feel your frustration and empathize with your predicament....and to ignore the mean people..I guess I shouldn't multitask so much...sorry if I confused you....it was perfectly clear this afternoon....:)
Specializes in Public Health, L&D, NICU.

Sent you a PM. Best wishes to you, it's certainly no kind of life you'd wish on anyone else.

Another general thanks to the responses!

Esme, I wasn't asking for medical advice, sorry if that was confusing :) I just thought it might be helpful for anyone who was interested to see, especially those who work either on the floor in neuro or in the ED. As I've already said, it's not a common disorder and many people who land in the hospital find themselves misdiagnosed... not that an image of my eyes during an attack is going to fix that, I just thought it might be of interest to some. If that's not allowed for any reason then I do apologize. But no, I wasn't asking for any advice, I was just thinking maybe someone would find it of some educational value.

PS: To those of you who sent me PMs, an extra thanks to you. Hopefully I'll be able to respond soon, but new members can't until they have 15 posts... that's why you haven't heard from me :/

I work on a medical/surgical floor but when I see a frequent flier I don't care unless the pt is someone I dread taking care of. To me this means someone who yells a lot, ( is completely oriented) , rings for silly stuff (move the call bell half an inch) when s/he is a walkie talkie. Yells, " NURSE, HELP ME" when they need a ginger ale etc. Or who do not understand, that while yes s/he is in pain I have OTHER patients who may be even more sick and I have to prioritize care, and pain is not often a priority even if the person is yelling about it. I don't care when pts need narcotics to function even if that means I have to page a doctor. I don't understand why some nurses get so worked up over it. We see a lot of frequent fliers for cystic fibrosis, sickle cell, copd, dka, chrons, all sorts of things. That's part of having a chronic medical condition.

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