ER Nurse to Lunch Break Before Medicating Patient for Pain

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While out of town on vacation this summer my husband was doing some exercising, sit ups to be specific. One day while doing these sit ups he said he felt as if he pulled something but was able to carry on with normal daily activities except now avoided doing more sit ups as it hurt too badly.

We continued riding bikes and swimming for a couple days after this but as time went on he seemed to get more sore.

Then later on the second night after he'd felt the initial muscle pull he woke up in the early am hours in pretty severe pain with some minor palpable swelling in his left lower quadrant. The pain was much worse than when he had the initial pull. He actually said he hadn't slept much at all which is highly unusual for him.

He has a history of diverticulitis and DVTs and is on coumadin therapy. We both thought maybe it could be a diverticulitis flare but most likely the muscle but just weren't sure. Who really wants to go to the ER at all though especially in the middle of the night?

He went ahead and took some ibuprofen even though he is really not supposed to due to being on coumadin but was hurting enough that he took three 200mg caplets and was able to sleep for a couple hours but woke up still in pain. I then decided to drive my husband to the ER that morning after he had slept a few hours as he was still having pretty severe left lower quadrant pain and now his color looked a little pale.

To try and make a long story short he was diagnosed after a CT scan with a torn abdominis rectus muscle or abdominal sheath with a subsequent 4 cm blood clot within the tear due to his history of being on coumadin therapy.

The ER physician said anyone else would have torn the muscle and be sore for a while but since he was on coumadin there was bleeding along with the tear which created the 4 cm blood clot from which he could see no signs of further active bleeding.

Upon assessment during the ER admission process via triage he told the nurse when asked his pain level was at 7-8 on a scale of 10, and had been in pain throughout the night before coming to the ER.

The ER physician came right in and ordered a pain med and a CT scan. Meanwhile the nurse started his IV, drew some blood and we thought gave him some pain medicine as he did some kind of flush with a clear solution in a syringe before my husband was taken for a CT scan of his abdomen where he was asked to scoot from stretcher to table, and of course back again.

When he arrived back from radiology department my husband said to me, "This pain medicine is not working...I'm still really hurting." I called the nurses station and asked for more pain medicine. I could see the physician at the desk from our room with a look on his face like, Really? He hasn't got his pain med yet? which I understood more clearly shortly thereafter.

I thought it might just be some breakthrough pain from going to radiology and from scooting back and forth from stretcher to table.

When the nurse finally came back in the room he states, " He hasn't had any pain medicine yet. I had to go on lunch break or I wouldn't have got any break at all."

Being a nurse myself I certainly understand the concept of missing a break. No it's not healthy. No it's not fun. No management doesn't like it sometimes regardless of what's going on. Sometimes however it is necessary in order to provide the proper and compassionate care needed for our patients.

At this point we'd been there in the ER patient room for at least over 30 minutes now and as noted above he even went to CT without any pain med. Maybe you could ask another nurse to give it in your absence?

As an ER nurse or any nurse for that matter, don't you think it would be a priority or should be a priority to medicate your patient for pain before going to lunch given the above scenario or any similar such situation?

Just wondering what other nurse's opinions are on this matter. What would you do? Would you make sure your patient got their ordered pain med before they went to radiology in pain or would you go on to lunch and give pain med that has already been ordered after you get back for fear that you'd get no break?

So you are upset that your husband that has been in pain for days had to wait an additional 30 minutes or so for pain medicine?

The fact that you had a diagnosis in less than an hour is amazing in and of itself (CT showed a blood clot in a torn abdominal muscle?). At 1 hour after arrival, you would still be waiting for lab results for the creatinine and BUN so contrast could be given where i work (if you had even had your blood drawn yet).

No idea why the nurse did or said what they did, not something I would have said.

As for would I have given pain meds before I went to lunch (if I even get a lunch, but patients don't care about that), most likely, but I have no idea what that nurses other patients were and what orders those patients had. You do know that your husband was not his only patient, right?

Hope your husband is better though (since you failed to mention how he is doing in your novel).

Just curious, what area of nursing are you in?

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
I would request that you extend grace. People are trying, they really are, I promise you. I don't know what to say except that we can't be everything to everyone all the time. It saddens me to think that no matter what choices we make, there's no guarantee that someone won't come along to say it was the wrong choice. Pain control is crucial and I would never pretend it isn't. Just the same, not everything can be done "at once."

Snipped a wonderful post for brevity. Just wanted to say, if I could like this post more than once, I would.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
Yeah, I've seen that look before. Right when the doc realizes he forgot to actually order the pain medicine and he's trying to cover it up by throwing the nurse under the bus.

And this one, too.

Specializes in Corrections, Surgical.
I was once told I would be given pain medication and the nurse never returned. Nobody came around for several hours. It was night and I tried to sleep and was a patient patient. At some point in time after shift change, a new nurse told me she had no idea why I wasn't given any pain medication, that it was not passed on in report. I was summarily discharged, in pain and with virtually no care (although I got a bill from my PCP's practice when no doctor even spoke to me more than once, much less a doctor from my PCP's practice). (You might call it observation to shunt someone off into a room by themselves and ignore them until discharge, but I don't call that rendering care). I did not care to complain. I went home and took as much OTC medicine as I could stand and dealt with it myself. Weeks later when I got a patient survey request, I refused to return it because I felt compelled to tell the truth and again, did not want to deal with them any further. Now I think more than twice before going to that ER, based upon my own experiences. At least the OP was engaged by the personnel, although she didn't like that the nurse wanted to go to lunch. In my case, I wondered just exactly what transpired at the nurses' station that no one felt the need to engage me any more than they did. Something tells me that it does not pay to be the patient patient.

I would have done the survey and let them know how I was treated. They will not improve until someone calls them out on it.

sorry for the double dip

So you are upset that your husband that has been in pain for days had to wait an additional 30 minutes or so for pain medicine?

The fact that you had a diagnosis in less than an hour is amazing in and of itself (CT showed a blood clot in a torn abdominal muscle?). At 1 hour after arrival, you would still be waiting for lab results for the creatinine and BUN so contrast could be given where i work (if you had even had your blood drawn yet).

No idea why the nurse did or said what they did, not something I would have said.

As for would I have given pain meds before I went to lunch (if I even get a lunch, but patients don't care about that), most likely, but I have no idea what that nurses other patients were and what orders those patients had. You do know that your husband was not his only patient, right?

Hope your husband is better though (since you failed to mention how he is doing in your novel).

Just curious, what area of nursing are you in?

To me, saying well you waited 3 days in pain and then assuming that the pain is the same all that time is a lot like saying well he has tattoos on his arms and stood that pain 40 years ago why can't he take this abdominal pain for another half hour or so while I go eat? I believe I mentioned his pain had intensified fairly rapidly over the 12 hour period before we went to the ER that day.

When it's your loved one or anyone who you know is hurting, yes, it's upsetting. He's okay now, thanks, he just hurt longer than he needed to that day in the ER thanks to someone's lunch break.

It was extremely quiet at the moment for an ER; that's why we got in and out fairly quickly, almost before he got the pain med!

I have over 20 years of experience working full-time as an RN and have worked in lots of different areas including some small but mostly major medical/trauma centers including some time in the ER, why are you questioning me about my experience, just wondering? Is there a point you're trying to make? I've skipped many breaks to care for patients who needed my help over the years.

Yes the doctor measured the blood clot on the CT scan. Do you know something he doesn't know about that? He was a military doctor and seemed very proficient, respectful and courteous. Quick at diagnosing as well!

The nurse going to lunch before giving any pain med was a negative part of an otherwise good experience, that's all. Maybe with some more life experience and/or nursing experience that may change. We all have a learning curve that's for sure! We can always hope!

Also sorry for my 'novel' all. I think I hit the 'submit article' button as opposed to another button, not sure currently. Kept getting prompted to add like 400 more words. Sorry...

Specializes in ICU; Telephone Triage Nurse.

Wondern, I'm so sorry your husband was in pain longer than he had to be. I understand about the need for breaks, but honestly as I've had many shifts without a lunch because the road apples were hitting the fan I would have made medicating a hemodynamically stable patient for pain a priority (unless there was a code - then ASAP there after).

My son Fx'd his clavicle in 7th grade goofing around playing football at recess, ending up under a 300+ lb boy who tackled him intentionally. If you've never visited a Ped's ER with a teen, it's a treat. He yelled that no one was allowed to cut off his Jeff Hardy WWE tee shirt (sigh ...) and easing it off jarred the Fx and got him crying more. Then the MSO4 needle came out ... what fun! He had to be tackled all over again while he begged increasing laughable negotiation tactics for "no shot!!!!". I could tell when the MSO4 kicked in: his tears shut off like they were cut off with a pair of scissors ...

Becoming a mom I discovered that I will do anything to protect my spawn - and if he had to wait for pain relief I would have morphed into mother bear mode and mauled someone. For my husband? Ditto.

Now a days he'd get ibuprofen, and I would transform into a Furie or Harpy and fly all around the ER emitting battle cries.

You as a nurse had amazing control - I can tell you love your husband to the moon and back. If I'm not in danger of passing out cold, I would make pain relief a higher priority than my own need for rest/food. It's happened before - what's one more time gonna hurt me?

I hope the hubb's is feeling better now.

Wondern, ... I would have made medicating a hemodynamically stable patient for pain a priority (unless there was a code - then ASAP there after).

My son Fx'd his clavicle in 7th grade goofing around playing football at recess, ending up under a 300+ lb boy who tackled him intentionally. If you've never visited a Ped's ER with a teen, it's a treat. He yelled that no one was allowed to cut off his Jeff Hardy WWE tee shirt (sigh ...) and easing it off jarred the Fx and got him crying more. Then the MSO4 needle came out ... what fun! He had to be tackled all over again while he begged increasing laughable negotiation tactics for "no shot!!!!". I could tell when the MSO4 kicked in: his tears shut off like they were cut off with a pair of scissors ...

Becoming a mom I discovered that I will do anything to protect my spawn - and if he had to wait for pain relief I would have morphed into mother bear mode and mauled someone. For my husband? Ditto.

Now a days he'd get ibuprofen, and I would transform into a Furie or Harpy and fly all around the ER emitting battle cries.

Thanks so much, 3ringnursing, I just read your post aloud to hubby, we both :roflmao::roflmao:. He says thanks for all the well wishes too. He's doing much better now.

I so appreciate your voice here. I felt the same way about the pain and watching the tears dissolving. Great description of the scissors being the med cutting off the tears.

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Also, that big kid sounds like a big bully! Sorry he hurt your boy!

Glad your son is okay now and got to save his Ed Hardy WWE t-shirt. I've worked lots of peds and can so appreciate honoring his wishes for his t-shirt. :nurse::inlove:

Specializes in ICU; Telephone Triage Nurse.
Thanks so much, 3ringnursing, I just read your post aloud to hubby, we both :roflmao::roflmao:. He says thanks for all the well wishes too. He's doing much better now.

I so appreciate your voice here. I felt the same way about the pain and watching the tears dissolving. Great description of the scissors being the med cutting off the tears.

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Also, that big kid sounds like a big bully! Sorry he hurt your boy!

Glad your son is okay now and got to save his Ed Hardy WWE t-shirt. I've worked lots of peds and can so appreciate honoring his wishes for his t-shirt. :nurse::inlove:

Yeah, kids say the earnest things, huh? LOL :woot:

And yes, that boy meant to hurt my little muffin (although I think he may have shat himself when the gun shot crack of the bone breaking echoed through the school yard). :yawn:

I'm glad the hub's is feeling better. It's hard to watch a loved be in pain - we are in danger of losing all nurse training we've acquired at that point, and things can decomp fast and get pretty nasty. :blackeye: :dead: :cautious:

Hugs to you both!

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