Charge nurse asking me to lie

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The other night I had a pt admitted that had a trach. I'm a new grad and have only been off orientation 5 weeks. The ER nurse told me in report that this pt has had the trach for a while and knew how to take care of it himself as he lived at home alone. Only thing was he had MRSA in his trach site so I would have to set up isolation. It was a busy night and this pt was my 5th one. I wasn't quite sure what I needed for a pt with a trach and went looking for my CN to ask her. I could not find her, she wasn't at the desk and her portable phone was also sitting at the desk so it did no good to call her.

My pt came up, I settled them in, did the admission assessment and the 5000 questions you have to ask and then had other things to do with my other pts. I looked for my CN a few more times to enquire about my admission, but found her busy helping another nurse in an iso room. I told her I had questions regarding my admission and to please help me when she was able.

Well, 3 hrs later she came down to my end of the hall to get updates. When I told her about my pt having a trach, she freaked out. She said our floor (medical floor) does not take trachs. I had no clue! She had to call the supervisor to try and get that pt placed elsewhere. Then she took me aside and started saying, "You have to do what I say so you don't get in trouble. You need to say that the ER nurse didn't tell you about the pt having a trach and you found it on assessment. You also need to say that when you saw it you tried to call me but my battery was dead on my phone and I was busy so I didn't know about it until later. You need to say exactly what I told you or you will get in trouble and I don't want to see that happen. You're new and you didn't know." I was shocked and dumbfounded! This conversation took place right before end of shift.

After I punched out I went straight to my managers office but she had the day off. I called a coworker I could trust and talked to her about it on the way home. She told me to get a hold of the NM asap even if it means to call her at home and tell her everything. First of all, I will not lie about this. Especially to throw the ER nurse under the bus! No!!! She told me about the trach on report so I'm not gonna lie about that! I think the CN wants me to lie about everything so SHE won't get in trouble. I did not know and was never told that our floor could not take trachs.

So I did call the NM right when I got home and told her the whole story and apologized for taking a trach admission and that I didn't know I wasn't supposed to. I did not, however, tell her the conversation between me and the CN and her telling me to lie. I have to work with this CN a lot since she's on my weekend rotation and I don't want to be on her bad side. She has put me in a very difficult position and I do resent her for that, but I also don't want a hostile work environment.

Would you have told the NM about the conversation? I'm torn on that one. What if the NM asks the CN what happened and she tells her that the ER nurse did not give the trach info on report? I don't want that nurse to get in trouble for something she didn't do!!

Advice please! This happened Tues night/Wed morning and I don't go back to work until next Tues. I haven't been able to enjoy my days off since this whole situation is eating me alive! :(

Well, it has been a week since this fiasco happened and I have been off since. I'm on my way to work in a bit and I'm also a tad apprehensive to see my charge nurse again. I have no idea what was said between her and the NM nor if she went ahead and told her the huge fabricated lie. But, I guess I will find out in a few short hours!

Wish me luck....I do not feel up to confrontation tonight.

Think not confrontational thoughts. You are a bad liar, you don't make up stories well, and you wuold like to have the knowledge so it doesn't happen again. Period.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Well, it has been a week since this fiasco happened and I have been off since. I'm on my way to work in a bit and I'm also a tad apprehensive to see my charge nurse again. I have no idea what was said between her and the NM nor if she went ahead and told her the huge fabricated lie. But, I guess I will find out in a few short hours!

Wish me luck....I do not feel up to confrontation tonight.

Beaming supportive thoughts to you as I type this. Remember that you did the right thing. Many years ago as a new nurse I faced an ethical issue with a co-worker and ended up reporting what she did. It is just that much harder with someone who is in a charge position. What you did takes courage and I'd be happy to have you as my nurse or take care of a member of my family.

Thanks! All of what you said is very true! I am a bad liar, that is why I choose not to, besides the fact that it is wrong and unethical. Thank you for your support!! :)

Beaming supportive thoughts to you as I type this. Remember that you did the right thing. Many years ago as a new nurse I faced an ethical issue with a co-worker and ended up reporting what she did. It is just that much harder with someone who is in a charge position. What you did takes courage and I'd be happy to have you as my nurse or take care of a member of my family.

Thanks! Heading into work right now. I'll let you know how things went in the morning! :)

Thanks! Heading into work right now. I'll let you know how things went in the morning! :)

Good luck. Just be honest !!

Everything went well. Talked to NM this morning about it. The CN in question didn't work last night. But the NM thanked me for letting her know and we are going to set up a meeting with the 3 of us to talk it through. I'm feeling better about things, but still a bit nervous about the meeting. I'm not sure when that will take place. I know my heart is in the right place, I just don't want anyone to get in trouble for this misunderstanding.

Don't feel bad. And don't chalk it up to a misunderstanding. The NM asked you to lie and she got called out on it. It may be awkward between you two for a while but make it very clear in the meeting that you respect her and needed her help but it's not OK to go AWOL with out a trace. A NM needs to be responsible for her floor.

My only advice to you since all other bases are covered is DOCUMENT THIS SOMEWHERE FOR YOUR OWN RECORDS. Type this up in a word doc and file it away on your own. And then document what happens in that meeting. I'd even send a synopsis of the meeting in an email back to your RN manager. This makes sure that YOU understand whatever the gist of that meeting is when it's over, AND creates an immediately generated documentation of that gist that she'll more than likely respond to in the affirmative, or she'll point out points of misunderstanding, all of which is to your benefit.

Do not accuse, do not speculate in this meeting. State only the facts. If it was indeed three hours, state it was, and then clearly state how you KNOW it was three hours. KNOW WHAT HAPPENED so your story doesn't accidently shift and DON'T LET anyone try to intimidate you into shifting it. Take notes with you if you need to; say you're stating from your own records. I don't care what this makes me look like with others - it keeps me straight when it's something like this and my story doesn't change (I'm an ex-cop - even 'what really happened' can get shifted around in the wrong hands/minds if someone decides to twist your words).

I'd let the CN dig her own grave. If she doesn't admit to it, YOU now have insight into the type of person she is at work. Don't blab it around; that will only backfire. (Not saying you would, but some would.)

This is one thing I learned in the military that I advise non-military folks to do. Document what happens to you, and follow up from a meeting with an email. There's no miscommunication that way, on any ends.

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