"Nurses Are So Mean"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. Nurses Relations Article

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I wish I had a dollar for every post I've read claiming that "nurses are so mean," "nurses are nasty to each other," "nurses eat their young" or "my preceptor is picking on me for no good reason." And then if you add in all the nurses who are "fired for NO reason" or is hated by their co-workers because they're so much younger and more beautiful than everyone around them or just can't get along with their colleagues no matter what they do -- well, I'd be a rich woman. I could retire to Tahiti and lounge on the beach sipping margaritas and eating BON bons. Or whatever. You catch my drift.

I'm beginning to believe that the nurses, nursing students, new grads and CNAs who claim that everyone is being mean to them are revealing far more about their own character than they are about the people around them.

It's A Pattern

It's usually pretty much a pattern -- someone who is new to nursing, new to a specialty or new to a job posts a plaintive lament about how everyone they work with is just so MEAN. Often times, when the poster goes on to describe the situation, it's just that they had a negative interaction with one nurse -- and often just that one time. It's as if no one is allowed to have a bad day. There are no allowances made for the colleague who may be a bit brusque because they've been up all night with a cranky baby or a wandering parent with dementia or their dog just died or even -- heaven forbid -- they're weary of answering that same question over and over without any learning occurring.

People Have Bad Days

It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

"Coworkers Are So Mean To Me"

Another common theme is a poster complaining about how mean her new co-workers are to her. She's never done anything to deserve it, she's always been pleasant and helpful and she thinks (or someone has told her) that they're picking on her because they are just so jealous of her relative youth and beauty. I'm suggesting that if that's what you believe -- that you're perfect, but your co-workers are jealous of your youth and beauty -- you ought to perhaps look a little deeper. Much of the time, there will be another reason that you're not getting along with the people at work. Perhaps you're not being as friendly and helpful as you think. Perhaps you're not carrying your full share of the workload, or aren't learning despite asking the same questions over and over or are rude to people you perceive as "old dogs who ought to retire" or "ugly old hags."

If you're writing in to complain that "mean people follow me everywhere" and "I've had five jobs since I graduated six months ago, and my preceptors have all been nasty" or "nurses eat their young and I know that because I'm always being eaten," stop and think for a minute. If the same problem follows you everywhere you go, it may not be them. There's a good chance that it's YOU. You can change jobs as many times as you like, but everywhere you go, there you are. Since the only person you can change is YOU, stop and think about what you might be doing to contribute to your problems. A little self-assessment and introspection can only be a good thing.

"Nurses Eat Their Young"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became much nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

The only person you can "fix" is you. I really, really wish that people would at least consider the possibility that they are part of the problem before they scream that "nurses eat their young."

I agree with your point that if everywhere you go you get treated with some degree of hostility, maybe you need to take a longer, harder look at yourself. But that's not to say that bullying doesn't happen in nursing. When I graduated, I worked PRN on a med-surg unit as there were no full-time positions at the time. The first full-time position that came open was on a different med-surg floor than the one I was working on. The floor where I was working PRN was great. My nurse manager was very supportive, the nurses I worked with were kind and supportive, with a couple of exceptions, and everybody knew who had the queen bee attitudes and just let it roll off. When I transferred to the other floor to take the full-time position, I jumped into a pit of vipers. The exception on that unit were the kind, supportive nurses, and the majority of them were bullies. It wasn't 'they had a bad day' because that was there modus operandi every day. And the nurse manager was the same. I've never had a problem getting along with people. Even the people that other people pick on because they think they're weird or whatever. But these nurses actually enjoyed attacking and tearing down other nurses, not just new grads but even nurses that were just new to that hospital, and especially if they were from out of state. They were like a pack of feral dogs looking for fresh meat. I was on that unit 14 months before I was able to transfer back to the unit where I started. During that time these nurses ran off several good nurses that saw the writing on the wall, that they were just going to get beat up by the mean girls on the playground every day, and there wasn't going to be any end to it. I tried to convince these nurses that they should try another unit, because they weren't all like this one. I knew this because of the experience I had on the floor I started on. But all of them just left the hospital and never looked back, and it was really the hospital's loss. When the administrative person in charge of a unit condones it, it is not going to change. I have met a few very squirrely people that in my opinion should not be nurses, and some of them may be the folks you speak of that get the bad treatment everywhere they go. But bullying in nursing is out there. If every place I worked was like that one horrible unit, I'd quit nursing and find another way to help people. Life is too short. I've worked at 2 other facilities since that first bad experience, and I've never had another negative experience on that level. But everywhere I go, there are always those with that tendency to be condescending or just plain bully others. Fortunately, they have not been in the majority.

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All I can think from having nursing in my 29 year of service, is that, Nurses, just like other profession, always try to earn recognition for what we do (no matter how we conducted the work). Unfortunately, it is not an easy thing to earn it from other disciplines. So we push our nursing co-workers or subordinates to give one in all possible ways, even the nasty one. I'm not saying that I was one of the victims, but that was what I've been through. Well. If we nurses are willing to learn while working, we certainly shall earn all recognition we deserve by doing things much better each time. And, I believe that.....

In reply to the excuse that nurses who are rude or mean maybe just having a bad day or some personal crisis. That is no excuse, Ive working in healthcare for over twenty years and have never been anything but pleasant, no matter what was going on in my personal life. A true professional leaves their problems at the door and puts on a smile.

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in reply to the excuse that nurses who are rude or mean maybe just having a bad day or some personal crisis. that is no excuse, ive working in healthcare for over twenty years and have never been anything but pleasant, no matter what was going on in my personal life. a true professional leaves their problems at the door and puts on a smile.

maybe you actually were pleasant every single day, no matter what was going on in your personal life. or maybe you just thought you were. some of the most un-pleasant people i've encountered had no idea how they were perceived by others.

I can see both sides of this argument. Some nurses are indeed mean- Get used to it- Learn how to handle these situations effectively and move on. I think anyone getting into this profession had better develop some thick skin. On the other hand, when I was in school I got really tired of the incessant whining and sense of entitlement a lot of these younger students had. Just imagine what it's going to be like when an entire generation of self-absorbed kids raised on reality television come out of the nursing programs. Believe me, they are coming- Get used to it!

I wish I could agree with this article as it appears most others have however I really cannot. I worked as a travel contract RN, agency RN, as well as a staff RN (BSN from TWU) for over ten years. I have been in everything from Home Health to administration, and specialized in critical care. And I can tell you most nurses are mean. It's not the norm they are not. I remember working in a hospital in AZ as a contract/agency nurse. Sure, the staff nurses on the unit were supportive of each other. But because I was the "nurse making the big bucks" I was given the most difficult patient load...in fact two of those patients were strapped in their w/c at the nurses station. I had zero support or help, and the nurse techs gave their loyalty to the staff nurses. That was just one episode of this career I have gladly left behind. Staff work was equally challenging in that nurses were overloaded....nevermind working overtime. You were working overtime just showing up for your regular shift. By that I mean that it was not uncommon for me to have 12 patients on a tele floor. I recall one shift where I had 6 d/c & 6 admits. That's 12 different patients. There were also maybe two nurse techs on the floor and if they were feeding a patient...guess what....you get to do everything else in addition to charting, med pass, doctors orders, etc. And if you don't get it all done in premium time you are said to be inefficient with your time, can't prioritize, etc. Nurses from my generation (I am 52) are leaving by the droves for these reasons among too many others to mention here. I have lost a brother in law due to a heart attack at 45 from the ER stress, his son left cold turkey an ER as a nurse anethetist from the stress, my sister also an RN developed several chronic illnesses from the stress, and I have had nightmares for years from the unbelievable practices I witnessed to patients, mean patients, mean staff, mean administration.....yet I was blessed to have met a man I am now married to who rescued me from this. If I had known half of what I went through I would have NEVER become a nurse. I have met many other travel nurses who were traveling for the money to change careers. I have convinced my neice not to become a nurse. I have been in enough circumstances and time zones to work in all kinds of nursing situations, and there WAS NOT ONE worth crying over, losing your health over, going to school for, or anything else. If you are burned out, it's for a reason. It's not you. It's your body telling you to take care of you and get a life (your life) before it's too late.

I personally think people can definitely be mean or insensitive. But, we all have bad hair days there isno doubt our egos get squashed inthe process. I really like what you said aboutlooking within though! You are totally right! Sometime we like to play the blame game too. Because it is easier to blame someone else than actually figure out how we can make it better. Thank you so much for your article it really helped me out of a pitiful slump......realizing I need to pray over my situation a little more carefully. Ahhhhh.....and what can I do to fix this or make it better.

And yet you are here posting notnursinganymore.

Yes, blueheaven, that is correct. For the first time in almost five years since I left nursing, I did a search to see what's out there in the form of educating would-be nurses (and those who are burned out) of the real personal risks they are taking as they make the leap of faith into a profession that may be calling them to their own demise. For many, this discovery isn't made until it's too late, i.e., my R.N. late brother in law. Had I known of many of the things I know now, I would have chosen another career to fulfill the desire to make a positive difference in people's lives. I went into nursing to help people, and I got out of it to save my own life. The purpose of this search which brought me to this blog is to educate anyone who wants to know what it really means to be on the floor, in administration, telemedicine, etc., as I have done it all, with many family members included, and many nurse co-workers across the USA. Now, after five years of healing from the burn-out stress, the difference I want to make is offering real information as I wish I would have had pre-nursing. It is my contribution for the many experiences I endured, and the reader may make their own assumption. Nevertheless, the information is available to truly help other people who want to know, and this blog is just the beginning.

I do agree with quite a bit of your post. When I was young and stupid, I worked OT everytime it came down the way, was on every unit based committee known to man and just generally busted my butt for my employer (at that time). Erroneously thinking in my immature way that somehow my employer would have the same loyalty to me. It took a life threatening illness, being off work on SL for almost 4 months and getting canned one month after I returned to work for me to see the error of my ways.

The combined stress of 2 very young children, a crazy workplace environment, and a crazy family environment almost put me in the grave.

It is a shame that my nursing curriculum did not include self care strategies, limit setting etc. All of these things I have had to learn on my own and with professional help.

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. . .I agree with your point that if everywhere you go you get treated with some degree of hostility, maybe you need to take a longer, harder look at yourself. But that’s not to say that bullying doesn’t happen in nursing. When I graduated, I worked PRN on a med-surg unit as there were no full-time positions at the time. The first full-time position that came open was on a different med-surg floor than the one I was working on. The floor where I was working PRN was great. My nurse manager was very supportive. . .

I've worked in both types of units also, and the first 10 years of my career were mostly with the supportive type. Then I was hired for a job with the toxic/mean/bullying type. I'm convinced it is the manager who creates the good and the bad. I've seen good people change when in the presence of the bad as they wish to curry favor and avoid becoming a target themselves. It was disappointing as h** to see it happen, but when a person truly needs that job to put food on the table, they will compromise their internal values. If ever I worked with those same people and the dysfunctional ringleader was off that day, it was as if the sun came out from behind the clouds for a little while.

I wish I could agree with this article as it appears most others have however I really cannot. I worked as a travel contract RN, agency RN, as well as a staff RN (BSN from TWU) for over ten years. I have been in everything from Home Health to administration, and specialized in critical care. And I can tell you most nurses are mean. It's not the norm they are not.

I'm sorry you had that string of bad experiences, but to be fair to the many wonderful nurses I've worked with over the years, and to those who may be considering nursing, I feel your impression is skewed to the negative too much. One thing us older nurses have been blessed with that new nurses may not be anymore, was an incredibly wide vista of opportunities to change the place, the manner, and the specialty of our daily job without leaving our career altogether. When I could handle a lot of stress and crazy hours I worked in a hospital with high acuity patients. When I needed more normal hours I moved to ambulatory care and worked several specialty areas within that. When I wanted to return to bedside but not be overwhelmed I went into home health/private duty nursing.

In all of those there were the "devils" and the "angels". Most were somewhere in between. I have been stabbed in the back by people who I thought were my job-friends. I learned that for most people working together it is job first, friend later. It doesn't make them all evil people. My daughter is considering her options now - probably wants PT but open to other jobs - maybe even nursing. I won't sugarcoat anything, but I don't feel I have the right to convince another person to stay out of the field because of my own personal experiences whatever they were.

Hello Nurse 156,

I agree with your message. And yes, there were moments of working with 'angel' nurses for whom I am surely grateful. If only all nurses were such. It doesn't negate the fact however, that many of the circumstances (most) were in fact not good, and had nothing to do with me. I've had five years out of nursing to sort that through. In fact, one hospital in Rhode Island where I completed a 12 week travel contract was known as a "h*ll hole" by other travelers, yet I was asked by my supervisor on my assigned unit to train oncoming contract nurses and begged to return by the techs. I know I was a good and kind nurse. Yet, it was common to be moved to two different units during a shift, and sometimes three. Multiply that stress with critical patients for each move. Unfortunately, the scales do tip on the negative side after all is said and done as to working as a nurse, which is my point. For the most part I believe most nurses go into the field with the right intentions. And diversification in the field is surely one of the lures into it. I also worked as a home health liason as well as a home health nurse, and in telemedicine, outpatient clinics, and the like to stay in the field yet to get away from the hospital stress. My widowed sister, whose husband she lost at 45 years due to the high stress and long hours (and obligation to get food on the table for a family) is an RN herself and worked most of her years in administration. She has many horror stories of her own, including the lying and deceit that goes with it to "curry" management. It is not my intention to persuade a potential nurse negatively away from the field. It is my mission if you will, in my retired status as a tribute to the service and life work my family and I contributed, to give a clear and honest recount on real life experiences for what could happen again to someone else. By doing so, it is a most generous offering of self to help someone else decide if they would want to be in a similar situation one day.