my little analysis of the NCLEX

Nursing Students NCLEX

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what do you think of this logic?

wouldn't the chances of passing (if you felt you bombed) be higher if the test shut off at 80-90 questions? i think this only because from what i read there are 3 options at question 75...

- you passed

- you failed

- you are close enough to the passing standard but not quite there (this is the key statement that i read somewhere)

so, if you feel like you bombed and it shut off at 75 then you might have indeed failed. however, if you feel you have bombed and it shut off at 80-90 then that would mean that you definitley were not doing as poorly as you thought during those first 75 questions and you were "close enough to the passing standard" at question 76. so, if you're close enough to the passing standard at 75 and you only get 12-14 more questions then i would think that its a pass, no? if you went on to 250+ questions then you zig-zagged all over the curve and it could go either way at that point. i just don't see how one can be so "close to the passing standard" at 75 and then get failed with only a dozen more questions.

thoughts?

(this is just my theory)

I enjoyed reading this thread. And to Bender.. "U rock!!" i too have little theories of my own regarding that pass/fail thing.. and i think ur analysis is really good (with all those mathematical stuff)!

I enjoyed reading this thread. And to Bender.. "U rock!!" i too have little theories of my own regarding that pass/fail thing.. and i think ur analysis is really good (with all those mathematical stuff)!

thank you

...and thanks to dgilbert as well :)

yea, i go to a ton of forums from car forums to stock forums and this place "in general" has the most uptight people on the net!!! sure, i might be a little abrasive at times but its all meant to spark some good debate. i am a nurse practitioner and my wife is now a nurse as well so its not like i am anti-nurse!!! i got blasted in my discussion about RNs striking and left this place for awhile cause it gave me a headache.

its good to see that there are still some cool level-headed nurses out there that don't take things so damn serious!!!

as an NP i walk the gray area in the real world between RN and MD and the only RNs that seem to have issues are the ones that complain about everything. they then whine about it on forums and fail to realize that they brought a lot (not all) of it on themselves.

i might get flamed here again cause i speak my mind but i take comfort in the fact that the only people that will flame me are the ones that i am talking about so i don't really care. i know a ton of awesome RNs of all ages and we respect each other for our views. we might not always agree but through firey debate comes self-reflection and sometimes resolution.

...and to those that choose to flame me, well, that's cool cause i am not afraid to admit when i am wrong

anyway, i got off track

that's my theory of the NCLEX and i wish everyone the best of luck that takes this nutty exam and i hope you all pass!!! we need more young energetic nurses in today's healthcare environment and i can't think of a better profession to go into right now. you get paid very well to do a job that is highly respected.

My brain has to keep it simple. This is the way it was described to me, and works for me because I am a visual learner.

________________HIGH DIFFICULTY________________

________________MODERATE DIFFICULTY___________

_______________MINIMUM PASSING STANDARD_______

_______________BELOW STANDARD_________________

_______________COMPLETELY UNSAFE______________

Each answer you give will place you somewhere on the continuum, above. If you fail to answer a question, you will then get a follow up question with lesser difficulty. The idea is to get more questions right above the Minimum passing standard than below it. Whether it is this 'simple', I'm not sure, but I liked the explanation anyway. :rotfl:

My brain has to keep it simple. This is the way it was described to me, and works for me because I am a visual learner.

________________HIGH DIFFICULTY________________

________________MODERATE DIFFICULTY___________

_______________MINIMUM PASSING STANDARD_______

_______________BELOW STANDARD_________________

_______________COMPLETELY UNSAFE______________

Each answer you give will place you somewhere on the continuum, above. If you fail to answer a question, you will then get a follow up question with lesser difficulty. The idea is to get more questions right above the Minimum passing standard than below it. Whether it is this 'simple', I'm not sure, but I liked the explanation anyway. :rotfl:

And this, my friend, is on my wavelength. Thanks:)

http://www.ncsbn.org/testing/candidates_info_cat.asp

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Computerized Adaptive Testing (CAT) Overview

Computerized adaptive testing (CAT) is a method for administering tests which uses current computer technology and measurement theory. The NCLEX® examination administered via CAT uses standard NCLEX examination multiple-choice questions. With CAT, each candidate's test is unique: it is assembled interactively as the individual is tested. As the candidate answers each question, the computer calculates an ability estimate based on all earlier answers. The test questions, which are stored in a large item bank and classified by test plan area and level of difficulty, are then scanned and the one determined to measure the candidate most precisely in the appropriate test plan area is selected and presented on the computer screen. This process is repeated for each question, creating an examination tailored to the individual's knowledge and skills while fulfilling all NCLEX test plan requirements. The examination continues in this way until a pass or fail decision is made. CAT provides greater measurement efficiency, as it administers only those questions which will offer the best measurement of the candidate's ability.

The way a CAT examination works is very similar to the way an educator might administer an oral examination. After a candidate's response to the first question asked, the educator assesses the candidate's ability level, then asks another question, based on this preliminary assessment. The candidate's answer to this second question provides the educator more information about the candidate's ability, and the educator's assessment is becoming more precise. This process continues, with the educator asking either easier or more difficult questions, based on the candidate's responses. This type of examination, like a CAT examination, is tailored to each individual candidate, and only those questions which will measure the candidate's ability the best are administered. During an oral examination, the educator makes an assessment of the candidate's ability, then chooses the appropriate level of difficulty for each question administered. In a CAT examination, this process is built into the computer system.

NCLEX examination decisions are not based solely on how many questions a candidate answers correctly, but also on the difficulty of the questions a candidate answers correctly. CAT administers questions with difficulty levels so that each candidate will answer about half correctly; these questions provide the most information. Thus, all candidates answer about 50 percent correctly: passing candidates answer 50 percent of more difficult questions correctly, and failing candidates answer 50 percent of easier questions correctly.

Even though candidates may answer different questions and different numbers of questions, the NCLEX examination administered using CAT is fair to every candidate. All examinations conform to either the NCLEX-RN® or NCLEX-PN® Test Plan which controls inclusion of important nursing content, and all candidates have ample opportunity to demonstrate their ability, as the examination won't end until stability of the pass/fail result is assured or time runs out.

How CAT Works: A Candidate Primer

The goal of computerized adaptive testing, or CAT, is to determine your ability, based on the difficulty of questions you can answer correctly, not how many questions you can answer correctly. This is a fundamentally different approach than is used on paper-and-pencil tests, where everyone receives the same questions. CAT examinations are individualized.

We know the exact difficulty of the approximately 1500 questions in each operational NCLEX examination item pool because each has been taken as a pretest question by hundreds of candidates and then statistically analyzed. Picture the questions all lined up, from easiest to hardest. If we asked you the easiest questions, you'd get most of them right. If we asked you the hardest, you'd probably get most wrong. As we move from easy to hard, there will come a point where you go from getting more right to getting more wrong. This is the point where you are answering 50 percent correctly. Questions harder than that you would probably answer incorrectly (you'd get some right, but more wrong); questions easier than that, you would probably answer correctly. The goal of CAT is to find that point for you. That point is different for everyone. Nursing experts could probably answer at least one-half of the hardest questions we could ask. We'd have to ask beginning nursing students the very easiest ones before they could answer even one-half correctly. You probably fall somewhere between those two points.

First, the computer asks a relatively easy question, and if you answer it correctly, it asks a somewhat harder question. As you continue answering correctly, the questions get harder and harder. When you start missing questions, they get easier until you start answering them right again, then they get a little harder. Each time you answer one correctly, the next is harder. Each time you answer one incorrectly, the next is easier. This process continues as it zigzags, narrowing in on the point where you answer 50 percent correctly, e.g., one right, then one wrong. That point represents your ability level. This is why everyone ends up correctly answering about 50 percent of the questions he or she is asked.

After you have answered the minimum number of questions, the computer compares your estimated ability level to the passing standard and makes one of three decisions:

One, if you are clearly above the passing standard, you pass and the examination ends.

Two, if you are clearly below the passing standard, you fail and the examination ends.

Three, if your ability estimate is close enough to the passing standard that it's still not clear whether you should pass or not, the computer continues to ask you questions.

"Clearly" passing or failing is defined as when the "gray zone" around your ability level falls entirely above or below the passing standard. The gray zone is the region within which your estimate might vary if you answer more questions. The gray zone shrinks a little after each question because your estimate is based on more information.

After each question, your ability level and the gray zone are recomputed, adding your new response to all of your previous answers. When the gray zone is entirely on one side or the other of the passing standard, you've clearly passed or failed and the examination ends.

Of course, some people's ability level is very close to the passing standard. For some of these people, all the questions in the item pool still might not be enough to make it "clear" whether they should pass or fail. When a candidate's ability level is very close to the passing standard, the computer continues to administer questions to them until the maximum number of items is reached. At this point, the computer disregards the gray zone and simply looks at whether the final ability estimate, based on every question answered, is above or below passing. If you are above it, you pass. If not, you fail.

I love this explanation of how the test works. It makes sense to me now! Thank you for posting this. I passed at 75 questions.

Specializes in MDS/PPS.

ok, just took the d@m thing...it shut off at 90 or so....scared the daylights outta me, the screen just went white then gray then blue.... :eek: I can only hope...my state anticipates early results, too....thank god my unit has internet, you can bet I will be checking that thing every hour or so for the next couple of days...

the questions, to me, seemed to bounce all over the radar... I only had 1 math problem...

I quit smoking a month ago, I bought a pack today:smokin: dang the nerves!!!!

Specializes in MED/SURG, ONCOLOGY, PEDIATRICS, ER.

Sahara311 hi. what is that about that the screen just went white, gray & blue? it's like that? what it mean? :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance!!

Bori

Sahara311 hi. what is that about that the screen just went white, gray & blue? it's like that? what it mean? :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance!!

Bori

Thats pretty much what happened to me, at 75. It just stopped. My screen went grey and then some message came up to see the proctor, who made some sort of comment about how short a time I took (about 40 minutes with a break)I was entirely surprised and sort of wanted more questions.

I get that the origianl part of the thread was supposed to be funny, but please keep in mind many people take everything hey read about NCLEX seriously, simley face or not.

It's been awhile, but we were told before taking boards (computerized), that the first 15 or so questions are designed to assess your reading competency level for questions. When you miss a question of a particular level, other questions will come forth that are at a different reading level. If you shut off at 75, the minimum #, you got enough right to determine minimum competency, I think we were told 60% correct answers. Throughout the test as you miss questions, the computer continues to change the reading level of questions and as it does and determines the level of questioning you need it shoots more questions to determine competency until you reach 60% correct answers. Hence the rational for people having all kinds of numbers of questions.

I just think it is scary to imagine getting my license to practice based on only 60 questions.

It's been awhile, but we were told before taking boards (computerized), that the first 15 or so questions are designed to assess your reading competency level for questions. When you miss a question of a particular level, other questions will come forth that are at a different reading level. If you shut off at 75, the minimum #, you got enough right to determine minimum competency, I think we were told 60% correct answers. Throughout the test as you miss questions, the computer continues to change the reading level of questions and as it does and determines the level of questioning you need it shoots more questions to determine competency until you reach 60% correct answers. Hence the rational for people having all kinds of numbers of questions.

I just think it is scary to imagine getting my license to practice based on only 60 questions.

It is the difficulty level, not the reading level that the computer uses. The reading level is pretty consistent throughout the exams.

Hi I just took the test yesterday. I ended with 125, I didn't get a lot of priority questions and I didn't get a lot of them in a row. I did get the last question right, do you all think I passed?

Hi I just took the test yesterday. I ended with 125, I didn't get a lot of priority questions and I didn't get a lot of them in a row. I did get the last question right, do you all think I passed?

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