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I have delegation to CNAs down, I get all of those questions right but when it comes to delegation to LPN/LVNs. I was taught in school that LPNs can't assess or do patient education but in the Lacharity book, I ran into some questions where the answer to a question about delegating to an LPN involved something that included some kind of assessment. I understand that an LPN can reinforce prior patient education but some of these just have me confused.
I'm having a hard time with differentiating what can and can't be delegated to an LPN!
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- Jan 3, '12 by FocusRNIn m opinion LaCHarity kind of goes overboard for what you need for NCLEX, maybe good for practice, but a little too much for NCLEX.
Anyway, LPNs can assess in certain situations. If the assessment is of a "stable" nature, it can be delegated. But for NCLEX, LPNs can "observe" and report. Remember that and you will be fine.
- Jan 3, '12 by mattrnstudent23I think what the NCLEX is looking for is the fact that LPNs aren't supposed to make judgement calls that could have a major impact on patient outcomes. For instance, you wouldn't tell the LPN to go do the admission assessment on the new MICU patient who is septic, hypotensive, tachycardic, febrile, and anuric. In NCLEX world, the LPN is supposed to do things that don't involve making a judgement based on their assessment. LPNs can't do initial admission assessments, they can't do initial patient teaching, and in my state, NC, they can't administer blood or blood products. An LPN can do an assessment on a patient who has been an inpatient for some length of time, but the LPN cannot make a judgement call. For instance, say you have a patient who is on the cardiac step-down unit four days post CABG. The LPN can go in and do the assessment, to my knowledge, but if something is wrong, it must be reported to the RN. Suppose the LPN found the patient febrile and tachycardic, s/he couldn't assume it was the beginning of an infection, make a note in the chart, notify the physician, and go on about the day. If the LPN found a significant piece of data such as I mentioned in my example, s/he would have to go to the RN and report what s/he noted on assessment. For instance, "Nurse Smith, upon assessing room 8422, I noted that he was tachycardic at a rate of 125 and that he had a fever of 101.2." This is all the LPN can do. S/he can't say, "I think the patient is developing an infection, and we need to notify the physician and draw blood cultures." That responsibility lies solely with the RN.
Based on what I've been taught, LPNs can assess stable inpatients who have been in the hospital for some period of time. It doesn't matter if they've been there ten hours or ten days. I was taught that LPNs can't do the initial admission assessment, and can't do discharge teaching. The normal day-to-day head-to-toe assessments can be delegated to the LPN. We were also cautioned by one of our instructors to avoid choosing answers that have LPNs doing an activity that would require a judgement call, like changing a dressing on a fresh surgical site, etc. Our instructor said that, while the LPN may be able to do this, s/he can't make a judgement call about whether it looks normal, infected, etc, and that it would be our best bet to play it safe and avoid choosing these type of answers.
In reality, LPNs do things that require judgement calls. A skilled and experienced LPN is often just as adept at making judgement calls as an RN. In NCLEX land, however, the scope of LPN practice is severely limited. You could look up the scope of LPN practice in your state on the Board of Nursing website. This may help you determine the kinds of things that LPNs can and cannot legally do in your state. Having this information may help you when you answer questions about delegating to an LPN.
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- Jan 3, '12 by not.done.yetKaplan states the best guide for delegation to an LVN are stable patients with expected outcomes. Don't know if that will help you but it has helped me on their practice questions to remember that.
- Jan 3, '12 by CrazierThanYouThanks everyone!
- Jan 5, '12 by not.done.yetI was studying today and reading over some of my other Kaplan stuff and this struck me as pertinent to delegation to an LVN:
RN's cannot delegate nursing judgement as well as assessment/teaching.
LVN's can be assigned stable patients with expected outcomes.
I think the key then in figuring out these types of questions are whether or not it is a routine assessment of a stable patient or if the assessment is likely to need a determination of action to be made on an patient who is unstable. I think that makes sense.
- Jan 7, '12 by vernon42As an LVN in California I was told that we do teach.
- Jan 7, '12 by Me2006Do NOT delegate what you EAT: