Quote from SterlingArcher
I'm a new grad on an ICU floor and most of our pts are on vents. I feel like many of my patients cannot seem to tolerate suctioning. As soon as I start using the inline suction they start gagging, desating into the mid to upper 80s, start getting frequent PVCs, RR goes into the 30s etc. After I am done suctioning, they stay like that for a while too which is even more unnerving. The ventilator will keep alarming afterwards with high tidal volume alarms as well as other alarms. I know this is normal since suctioning is very uncomfortable, but every time it still freaks me out. I pre-oxygenate with 100% and I always explain what I am going to do and what they might feel beforehand to minimize their anxiety. Is there anything else I can do to help them tolerate it better or help them return to baseline afterwards?
What does your preceptor say? Have you talked this over with them or your charge nurse? How are you suctioning them? Do you apply suction on the way in? How long are you applying suction? How many times are you suctioning in a row? Do you use a bronchial toilet/instilling saline? Are these patients "awake"? How long is "a while" before the patient recovers?
"I know this is normal since suctioning is very uncomfortable
Have you ever choked on food or water? I mean really choked? Or very nearly drowned in a pol/ocean/lake because you accidentally inhaled water? Have you Choked and coughed and sputtered because you couldn't catch your breath and thought you were going to pass out? That anxiety is because that patient, for those few brief moments, is choking in that suction tubing and saline that was instilled.
That is what that patient feels. That "someone is sucking the air out of my lungs, I'm going to die" feeling....every time you suction them.....with or without saline. Some patients will experience bronchospasm even with minimal suctioning. Some MD's will order bronchial toilet with one cc of lidocaine to help prevent spasm. How much of the saline bullet/container are you using to instill to suction? It should only be about a cc or one squirt instilled for each suction attempt.
The "high volume" alarms are because the patient is still coughing. Make yourself cough......put your hand in front of your mouth....fell that air rush? That forceful exhale is the high vent alarm. Even a sedated patient has a cough gag reflex unless they deeply sedated/paralyzed or neurologically impaired. The negative pressure alarm will also alarm when the patient takes that sucking breath to cough.
I am curious as to how many patients of your develop cardiac arrhythmia, PVC's, with suctioning for that does not always happen and should rarely happen.
Could those PVC's that you are seeing and the computer are reading actually be artifact on the monitor because of the up and down movement of the patients chest when they are coughing? Are you reading the monitor respirations that is at that point also counting the up and down motion of the chest when the patients coughs? Where is the pulse ox placed when you are suctioning....on the finger? Is the pulse ox also giving inaccurate readings due to artifact when the patients taps their hands during suctioning? Are those 30 resps present because when you suction you break the system "seal" and cause it to repetitively cycle like it does when the vet is disconnected?
Sometimes it helps to give the patient some resps with 100% O2 to help them "catch their breath. But you should try to synchronize those resps to the patients. I do not know your vents but some vents actually have a 100% O2 button made just for suctioning that shuts itself off. Some vents allow you to silence the alarms so that during procedures like this that alarms don't alarm, which can alarm the patient, and quickly reset themselves.
These alarms, monitoring tools are to help us in monitoring the patient but they are not always accurate under every circumstance. Who is the once that is anxious? You or the patient? Is the patient's anxiety amplified becasue they can see your anxiety? Patients are just like any living thing......they can sense/smell fear and anxiety a mile away. They figure if you are freaked out they should be as well.
Have you asked your preceptor about this? What do they say?