? Regarding Facility's Decision Not To Hire Male CNA/RNs - page 2

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So, I've been doing my CNA clinicals at an adult care facility in their skilled nursing unit. My first day there, as usual, I was nervous but ten minutes into being there a resident passes away. She'd been there for the better... Read More


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    Quote from CaliBoy760
    I am absolutely convinced that I have been passed over for nursing jobs based on the fact that I am male. After working in Primary Care for over a year I applied at the local hospital's Urgent Care. Keep in mind that I am a former military medic/EMT and am now an LVN. I had letters of reccomendation from two fomer supervisors and two MD's. Never once did I get a call. I applied for the same positon 15 times within 6 mos. Nada...Just for fun I changed my first name to a feminine one on the online application. Got a call the next day for an interview. Told them who I really was and was immediately told that the position had been filled. The next day the ad went up again on the company website. Oh, well. Their loss. I applied for and got a killler job at my local VA hospital where I get treatment as well for being a vet. My service is respected and appreciated by every single one of my colleagues. Hoo-Rah!
    Hoo-Rah, is that a Marine thing? We never said that in the Air Force. We said things like, "Why wasn't the wine chilled at brunch?" I served state side. Seriously, I bet the person that rejected you wear a little flag pin. Are you considered a hero? I used to be called 'Baby Killer'. I agree with you the VA is the only one that has respect for us Veterans. When I first went to the VA clinic, the first words out of the receptionist mouth was," Thank you very much for your service to our country." I know it's a catch phase now but after 45 years it was better than Baby Killer. You are not paranoid with the job. I sent an letter to a hospital and within three days got an application back with a female name close to my own. In a letter from the DON, she state they had many positions open. I filled the form in, sent it back, six weeks later I got a letter stating they had no positions open.
    Last edit by Merlyn on Feb 8, '12
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    I'm AF as well 4MOX, or 911 in the old days. And yeah, I guess we did have it better! Plus the girls were much cuter...
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    Quote from CaliBoy760
    I'm AF as well 4MOX, or 911 in the old days. And yeah, I guess we did have it better! Plus the girls were much cuter...
    Funny thing is that my doc at the VA. Soviet born and bread PLUS She is a Knock Out.
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    Yep - ran into this where I did my CNA clinicals. Every frimpin' CNA/LVN/RN sung my praises - but, they only hire males as RNA's (which, coincidentally only work 8-5 M-F; presumably so they won't try and sweep an 85 year old off her feet). Didn't even bother applying. Still looking, too.


    ----- Dave
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    As luck would have it, our last night of clinicals DHHS made a surprise visit after they received some complaints from residents and others, I'll share some of them:

    - A resident being forced to have a BM in a wash basin - the CNA (employed, not a student) when questioned about their logic for this had no answer.
    - A resident fresh from hip surgery (literally, had been back about 4 hours - anaesthesia still hadn't worn off) was given his dinner and told if he wanted it, he'd have to feed himself, said resident was in NO means capable of this
    - Same resident a couple days later was denied dinner until 11pm for being "unruly"
    - Deceased resident had passed away, the CNA in charge of their post mortem care was notified it needed to be done but afterwards could not be found. It surfaced later that the CNA decided to go out to eat, when questioned by DHHS for this decision the CNA said "They're dead!! Why the *** does it matter?" Resident was also in a double, the roommate is bedridden but fully aware - was left in the room with the deceased for two hours, despite their call light being activated and asked to be taken out of the room (normal facility procedure anyway, just wasn't done by the CNA)
    - Hip surgery resident made frequent oral (and written requests by family members) for a fracture pan (coincidentally, doctor's orders also ordered a fracture pan) but was never given one. During the DHHS reeming, 2/3rds of the CNAs could not identify the fracture pan from the pans they laid out.
    - While DHHS was there, one of them "secretly" (they slipped into the shower room behind a CNA and resident but didn't make themselves known, stayed behind the curtain) overheard a CNA tell a resident "If you touch me again <name> you're going to make me lose my job!"

    Anyway, the list goes on. A lot of stupid stuff, most of it abuse, incompetent CNAs, etc.

    DHHS has since taken over the facility indefinitely while they work out what they want to do with it and the residents. I think out of the 15 CNAs on staff that shift, 12 or so were fired by DHHS and will probably be blacklisted.

    DHHS let us finish our clinicals under their supervision -- it was surreal but an eye opening experience of what can happen when you start viewing your work as a burden/paycheck.
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    The whole myth that males are better because they can "lift" is being taken away. As a CNA and now as a nurse I mistakenly thought I could do single person transfers because, well, I am a pretty big guy. I ended up getting in trouble for it now asa nurse because I work in a rehab unit and one of the patients wasn't feeling well and told the PT to go get me and have me do the transfer so the patient wouldn't have to do so much work. In the end, I got reamed by the PT Department head and my DON because the facility policy is for no single staff transfers unless the pt can participate in 85% of the transfer and a 110 lb 5'2" aide can handle it by herself. In the end I was working against the efforts of the physical therapists and enabling the patient to not progress towards their rehab goals. So now... I don't do any transfers if I can help it, and if I do, a CNA is right there with me.
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    I don't think it's an accurate stereotype to say males are discriminated against in the nursing field as a whole. It seems to be a facility-specific problem. I worked as an extern at a local hospital during my last semester of nursing school, which involved a lot of floating through different floors and departments. A couple of weeks before graduation, after only about 4 months working there, I already had two RN position offers. I took the one I liked more, am working there today, and have never felt at all discriminated against (aside from the occasional patient that preferred female help for baths and what not).

    I agree with what a couple of other people said: pack your good skills and work ethic and take it somewhere that wants and appreciates it. They're definitely out there.
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    needless to say, it is sad to admit that discrimination is alive and well. therefore, take this as another lesson in life and move on to better and bigger goals. in addition, don't let this perturbed your path in your chosen career, in the near future you'll look back and grin on how miniscule some minds can be. wishing you all the best in all of your future endeavors...aloha~
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    Quote from gitanorn
    needless to say, it is sad to admit that discrimination is alive and well. therefore, take this as another lesson in life and move on to better and bigger goals. in addition, don't let this perturbed your path in your chosen career, in the near future you'll look back and grin on how miniscule some minds can be. wishing you all the best in all of your future endeavors...aloha~
    discrimination always was and always will be with us. no law or policy can force anyone to change what they carry in their heart. i found the best way to be a male nurse in a female environment is come in, get your work done, get paid and go home. that's it. that is my entire philosophy.
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    Thanks for showing what men add to the profession. It's not just upper body strength, but diversity of attitude, and personal and life experience. I've had many patients tell me how they love male nurses for the attributes they bring. I wouldn't worry too much about their policies. In my experience if they are that narrow on one issue, they will suck as an employer anyway. I feel if an employer fails to recognize my sterling qualities, then I don't want to work there. Unless they are the only meal ticket within 100 miles I would just do a great job and look elsewhere.
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