In nursing school clinical did you experience discrimination / bias from instructor?

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Hey guys,

So I am an older male nursing student and I just failed a clinical course in pediatrics. Prior to this course I had great grades and very good clinical evaluations. Because this was a semester course and the Peds portion was during the 1st half, I went on to complete my OB clinical during the 2nd half and received a great evaluation. Therefore I know this Peds evaluation was bogus and biased. Unfortunately though, the department's policy is if you fail a clinical you are out of the program.

An acquaintance of mine talked to a nursing professor from another nursing school with a BSN program and told her about my situation. One of the comments that the professor made was that it is typical for males to have problems with clinical instructors in Pediactrics and OB clinicals, especially older males.

I definately believe this was the case in my situation. Without going into a lot of details, it was apparent on the first day of class that my instructor had issues with me and even stated that, "we have issues that we need to work on or we aren't going to pass the class". This culminated in her making many factual falicies on my final evaluation. Bottom line was, among other things, she did not like that I spoke up for myself when she accused me of doing something wrong or, more rightly put, she wrongly accused me of doing something I didn't do.

Anyway, I am defending myself based on the many different factors and not just on the gender bias and/or discrimmination I felt occured. I wanted to know though, if any of you on this forum ever faced any discrimination or gender bias in your clinical classes? What happened? What did you do about it? Do you have any literature that details statistics about gender bias/discimination in nursing schools (I'm having a hard time finding any)? Did any of you seek legal help for it? Who did you handle it with your school/department? How did they handle it?

Any help, info, input, discussion, encouragement you can offer would help.

Thanks

"Bottom line was, among other things, she did not like that I spoke up for myself when she accused me of doing something wrong or, more rightly put, she wrongly accused me of doing something I didn't do."

I'm sorry about what happened. Money and time are not things anyone likes to waste. But you did remind me that sometimes academia involves more than academics. Diplomacy can be a weapon.

Frankly, I think being a male is nothing but a stepstone. Due to the small numbers of us the teachers learn our names and remember our names. Even teachers I haven't had know my name. Once they figure out your character they usually expect you to be laid back and know your stuff as well as provide some comedy. It's just a big switch from the etrogen-laden hallways. I get nothing but positive vibes from any of my teachers.

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Have gone thru something similar; heres what me and a fellow male student did.

We gather are paperwork and good reviews, etc

Then a filed gender discrimination complaint with the schools office of civil rights.

Long story short we were exonerated and the instructor censored and denied tenure

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what finally made them stand up and take notice was when i found out who their accreditation agency was and found out how to file a complaint with them. the nursing department paid attention then and started kissing everyone's a**. until then the nursing department pretty much had contempt for all agencies b/c they knew the university would cover them. "

dude, or dudette, inquiring minds want to know!

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I don't understand this. Male nursing students don't have a choice to opt out of OB/Peds, and many of them probably will never go into those specialties anyway, so why do the instructors and nurses feel so threatened? I understand that the presense of a male nurse might cause some issues in L&D but they should find ways to deal with this instead of harbouring discrimination.

Don't PAs and student docs have to go through this as well? Maybe it comes down to the fact that people don't feel comfortable associating males to nursing?

That is always a probability, but for the most part unsubstantiated. My experience is women generally do not mind men nurses unless they are real old and/or brainwashed. Jealous husbands are a main source of problem in OB. Generalizing a biased specialy to nursing in whole is a far-fetched rationalization borderlining on delusional (if no meds or medical injuries are involved).

My patient feedback is near 100% excellent, but the Clinical Instructor's (CI's) subjective ratings are borderline at best - well, after drop date anyway. My observations of RN sexes on the floors are the reverse of your assumptions as well: maybe due to a higher standard for the guys vs the gals. There are never any objective ratings from the CI by significant evidence or trends, but rather "I feel" comments. If a guy sees a vag delivery, it will be without the husband there most likely. And most likely it will be an empowered woman giving birth to a lucky holistically healthy child.

Dr. MLK Jr. said it best, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Peace!

I don't understand this. Male nursing students don't have a choice to opt out of OB/Peds, and many of them probably will never go into those specialties anyway, so why do the instructors and nurses feel so threatened? I understand that the presense of a male nurse might cause some issues in L&D but they should find ways to deal with this instead of harbouring discrimination.

Don't PAs and student docs have to go through this as well? Maybe it comes down to the fact that people don't feel comfortable associating males to nursing?

Excellent advise!!!! Thank you

currently my program's teachers, and maybe even the director, are trying to get rid of me... one teacher whom i had a disagreement with a while back, (who it turns out is a bit of a sociopath,) has since been spreading rumors and propaganda behind my back to try and turn the other teachers and a lot of students against me, and has has been pretty successful at it. all of it is lies and slander. but as you said, they are masters of documentation, and they've been using it to their advantage for a while now. gathering lots of ammo to shoot me down with, without my knowing. :up:

i experienced the exact situation where i went to school. you mention some keywords; "sociopath", loading up on ammo, and ostersized by other students. it has become clear to me that we are amongst sociopaths everywhere and we don't even know it. huge disadvantage for us! while we are constrained by our morals, values and conscious, they (sociopaths) are aware of this and exploit it. my former nursing director, in my opinion, is a sociopath, and like you, she gathered ammo without me knowing it. she had a network of moles(students who would do anything to stay in her good graces) feed her information about other students. lies and slanders is an understatement. professors which i previously had a good rapport with before, i could easily sense they were now against me. by the time i knew i was under attack, it was too late. they could not get me in lecture as i was pulling a's, and you either know the test material or you don't. you determine and have control of your lecture grades. clinical is a different story; they can say and do anything, in the end it is their opinion, lies or not. it was all propaganda and lies. i left that school and am now doing fine in a legitimate nursing school. it was an awful experience but a great lesson learned. this career field is full of cutthroat, sociopathic people. btw; that director has now been sacked and no longer is part of the program. the school finally figured out she was costing them thousands of dollars because of her wicked ways. i am sure this rotten person has a history behind her, people laying in her wake of sociopathic behavior, hospital to nursing school.

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Sometimes things in life are not fair. Yes, once in awhile you may come across a biased instructor. But, for the most part they are very professional and helpful. I did have one who had a problem with men. At first I thought it was just me being paranoid. So I began asking male students from previous class years and surprise. They all pointed out this one instructor gave them an unusually difficult time. Not much you can do about it. Just try and hang in there and persevere. You could go to the top to complain, but they probably won't believe you. I did not take that route, but I did find ways to avoid her when I could. It is possible to get sick when its your turn to face her in clinicals which is where she will get you. That is the only advice I can give. If you want it bad enough you will make it no matter what. Good luck. I believe this situation to be extremely rare. This instructor however is still teaching.

They are more than you think. The one thing you can do is assist in taking their license away, throught the proper channels for the sake of the Nursing Profession. They can't work as nurses, they can only do harm as nursing professors, and they will never correct their tragic life-scripts until after they hit bottom: a lose-lose-lose chained scenario that must be 'nipped' by those who have the knowledge and courage. God save the Nursing Profession!

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At first I was going to jump right in and say "yes, there was one particular instructor who hated me." Now that I think about it though, her problem with me had more to do with the fact that she felt I had an unfair advantage. I was doing clinicals on the same unit I worked as an aid and the nurses who knew me all wanted to help me out. My instructor didn't appreciate that.

And I guess that is the sum of it all right there. At first, I wanted to say I was discriminated against, but when I really reflect on it, I know I wasn't.

At my school, the there was a rumor that the director did not like men. Im glad I did not give this gossip any credit. I liked her very much and got no hint of w/e it was that made people say this about her.

We all float down here.

I had the same problem I had to change clinical instructors because because I overheard her saying that she always drop at lest 2 women and 1 guy, I was the man there and I was not about to be droped, I went to the director of the program and was trasfered to another clinical group.

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