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  • Feb 15

    I did read the story,I also know that terms such as "fixin' to die" "circling the drain" etc.I also know it is "regional".My point is it makes her sound ignorant.We nurses continue to strive to be recognized as professionals.I would th ok no anyone with even a minimum of education would put their best foot forward during an interview and use proper English.I guess it's my issue.

  • Feb 2

    Back in the day (maybe 8 years ago) our admin use to tell us to avoid using certain words in our documentation because they were "red flags" for the surveyors .We were never to document that a resident was "found" or "dis impacted" Those are the two biggies I remember.We were also threatened with being "written up" which would have been a direct violation of our policies as a verbal warning as the first step. Don't you love being ruled through fear? I'm sure a little inservice would work better...

  • Jan 18

    Before middle and upper white class kids started dying no-one really much cared.

  • Jan 17

    Before middle and upper white class kids started dying no-one really much cared.

  • Jan 2

    We are very liberal with diet and our hospice and palliative care residents.Maybe it's time for your facility to update it's policy and procedures (in her honor) Do some research,write up a proposal,bring it to the admin

  • Dec 27 '16

    Originally posted by Roland
    was admitted to in patient hospice and died about a week later. At the time of her admission her Dr. (and a second opinion) had given her from two to six months to live (she had non small cell lung cancer that had spread to her liver). We decided to take her to Hospice due to the fact we were not able to control her nausea at home, and the hospital could find no physiological cause on a CT scan (such as an impaction). Her pain was under under very good control with BID MS Contin (30mg) and immediate release morphine pid (15mg).

    The very minute she was admitted the nurse said that the Dr. had ordered Haldol for her nausea. I had never heard of Haldol being used in this context, but figured that the Dr. must be aware of some "off label" application of which I was not aware. That night (her first) mom became progressively more agitated and suffered from both visual and auditory hallucinations (she had never before experienced anything like this). Finally, after struggleing to keep her in bed (she kept wanting to get up due to various hallucinations) I called the nurses and they gave her a shot of Atavan and she slept. From that point on Mom took a distinct turn for the worse. Furthermore, the nurses continued to give her more Haldol almost everytime she would even sit up. Two days after admission they performed an enema and this seemed to releave much of her nausea, and she experienced no more emesis. However, the nurses continued to give her Haldol although they did at least admit that it was also being used for agitation in addition to nausea. Mom, was extremely weak by this point not even able to hold her head up (although she pleaded that I place her on a bedside commode rather than suffer the indignity of a foley or diaper).

    I became more concerned after telling my nursing instructor who reacted with alarm at the use of this drug in this context. He said that to his knowledge Haldol was not used for nausea, and espcially not in elderly women on opiates. I confronted the nurses at hospice, and one admitted that Dr. XXXX used the drug to "keep the patients comfortable because most of them were not so fortunate as my mom to have family there twenty four/seven". What galls me is that this was such a beautiful facility with amenities far in excess of any residential care facility that I had ever visitied before. However, there were few if any patients out of there beds to enjoy the facility. My mom died ten days after admission and I feel that she may have been "cheated" of potential quality time with myself and her two year old grandson.

    Is the use of Haldol in this context common at other in patient facilities?
    My condolences on the loss of your mom...I think your anger is a normal part of the grieving process and with time you will heal...It is easy to try to blame in this type of situation..Much easier then bearing the burden of your own helplessness over it......Your family was cheated-by the cancer.....You could not do a thing other then try to give her a comfortable death.....It's areal shame that your nursing instructor offered his opinion in an area not within his expertise and without knowing the details of your mom's condition..He alarmed you needlessly...It's good lesson for us all-he should have offered you nothing but support......We have to be so careful when people ask for advice-see the kind of harm we can cause?

  • Dec 23 '16

    I did read the story,I also know that terms such as "fixin' to die" "circling the drain" etc.I also know it is "regional".My point is it makes her sound ignorant.We nurses continue to strive to be recognized as professionals.I would th ok no anyone with even a minimum of education would put their best foot forward during an interview and use proper English.I guess it's my issue.

  • Dec 23 '16

    I did read the story,I also know that terms such as "fixin' to die" "circling the drain" etc.I also know it is "regional".My point is it makes her sound ignorant.We nurses continue to strive to be recognized as professionals.I would th ok no anyone with even a minimum of education would put their best foot forward during an interview and use proper English.I guess it's my issue.

  • Dec 19 '16

    We are very liberal with diet and our hospice and palliative care residents.Maybe it's time for your facility to update it's policy and procedures (in her honor) Do some research,write up a proposal,bring it to the admin

  • Nov 16 '16

    If you have a confused patient pulling out lines try writing on the dressing with a black sharpie " Do NOT touch" I've seen it work...Also if you have to insert a foley and are having difficulty visualizing the urinary meatus try putting a fracture pan upside down and backwards under the pelvis-this position may open things up-especially if the patient is a little fluffy...

  • Oct 26 '16

    We are very liberal with diet and our hospice and palliative care residents.Maybe it's time for your facility to update it's policy and procedures (in her honor) Do some research,write up a proposal,bring it to the admin

  • Oct 13 '16

    Quote from recognizeD
    Correction. The behavior is concerning but could not be sundowning at all. Due to no underlying dementia. Sundowning would not be possible. There might be behavioral puzzles, but sundowning would not present in the very young, whose brains are still developing rapidly.
    Unless the brain is not developing normally? Any thoughts on that?

  • Sep 24 '16

    Quote from TechieNurse
    This happened 15 years ago and it has haunted me so much, I left bedside nursing and went into other areas (utilization review, case mgmnt. etc)

    I had been a nurse only 2 years and had been working in med-surg/stroke unit. I was off duty, at a birthday party. Most of the guests were in their early twenties and there was drinking going on. The host (the brother of my fiance) had an unwitnessed fall down a flight of stairs. My fiance found him and called for me. I took charge of the situation, instructing others to call 911, checking airway/breathing/circulation etc. I suspected he had a broken neck, but he had a faint pulse and was breathing. So, kneeling at his head, I stabilized his head/neck between my knees and lifted his jaw with my fingers to keep his airway open (jaw thrust maneuver) and kept re-assessing him, waiting for the EMTs to arrive. Well, to his family, it didn't look like I was "helping" him enough. I had hysterical family and friends in various stages of drunkeness (I had had less than one drink) and then, the worst happened....one of his brothers, crying that I wasn't doing anything (with others agreeing), pushed me out of the way and tilted the victim's head back (hand on victim's forehead, other hand on victims jaw) to listen for breath sounds/initiate CPR. I can still hear the bones in his neck crack when I remember that.
    Of course, then he became pulseless and breathless and needed CPR. So, to the family, I wasn't doing anything. Luckily, the EMTs arrived right after that but he was DOA when he arrived at the hospital.

    I still carry a lot of guilt about that situation; the "if only" syndrome....
    It crushed my self confidence and my belief in my skills.
    Someone died and I could've/should've prevented it.
    Unfortunately, there's no rectifying this situation. There's no remedy, no counter-action to take. A young man is dead and only I know all the details of what happened. I pray for forgiveness daily.

    I hope that by sharing this, others will
    1) be cautious at all times, both on and off duty. You may be called upon to help in emergency situations
    and
    2) if you decide to take charge of a situation, be assertive/aggressive and don't let non-medical bystanders interfere (by imitating what they've seen on TV)
    The first rule of emergency medical services is to secure the scene-their safety is paramount.You could have gotten hurt yourself had you tried to be more assertive
    .You have NOTHING to be forgiven for-you were surrounded by drunks and you did all you could have done.Had you resisted the brother's attempt to help he would have smacked you flat.ETOH and the brother killed the victim-not you...As for the rest of the family do they blame you? Has it affected your marriage? You can go back and get the proof you need to clear yourself of blame but is it worth it?Will it cause more harm to all involved? I am betting the brother does know what he did-why not talk to him with your husbands help? Have you ever gotten counseling ? I think you should...You did all that you could and you have to believe that before you can heal yourself......

  • Sep 23 '16

    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    Excellent advice. I've never been afraid to say "I don't know", "I'm wrong" or "I made a mistake". I worked with a nurse whom we suspected gave some BP meds to the wrong patient, and the patient wasn't hers. The patients BP bottomed out and had to be given fluids rapidly and was fine. The patient even described the nurse who gave the meds, giving an adequate description. She even went into the room with me and looked the patient in the eye and said "I've never seen you or been in here, you're confused."
    Scares me that there are people out there like that taking care of patients. :angryfire
    eww.I have been there,too...Luckily for our pt my co-worker realized right away that she had given the wrong meds and came to me at the desk..We called the doc-he blew us off....Our guy bottomed out within 2 hours (I looked up all of the meds and knew exactly when it was going to happen so we were ready) so we had to 911 him out of there-He had no b/p when EMS got there...He spent the night in ICU and recovered...Tough old bird-94 yrs old...The med nurse was devastated.Our admin treated her with sensitivity....She learned an important lesson that day and changes were made on the unit-2 med nurses from then on.........But-if she had been another kind of person that fella would have died and we would never have known why ....

  • Sep 6 '16

    The support of your husband and other family members will make a big difference.You children are probably too young to lay a guilt trip on you when you are busy with school related work so you are lucky there.You will have to relax your housekeeping standards a great deal to survive...Same with meal planning-your family will not die of scurvy during the school year if they have to eat mac and cheese 2 or 3 times a week.Turn down the lights and bring out the candles when company comes-they will never see the dust bunnies.Make sure you get the rest you need and take some vitamin supplements.Avoid too much caffeine.Make sure you do spend some quality time with your family-you need time to blow off steam.After you graduate and start working your dream job you can make time to scrub your woodwork-or pay someone else to do it for you...Good Luck...


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